Knowing all you know today about this case who do you think really killed JonBenet?

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Who do you believe killed JonBenet?

  1. Patsy

    168 vote(s)
    25.0%
  2. John

    44 vote(s)
    6.6%
  3. Burke

    107 vote(s)
    15.9%
  4. an unknown intruder

    86 vote(s)
    12.8%
  5. BR (head bash), then JR

    4 vote(s)
    0.6%
  6. BR (head bash); then JR & PR (strangled/coverup)

    113 vote(s)
    16.8%
  7. Knowing all I know, still on the fence.

    55 vote(s)
    8.2%
  8. John, with an 'inside' accomplice

    11 vote(s)
    1.6%
  9. I think John and Patsy caught him and he made her cover up

    17 vote(s)
    2.5%
  10. I still have no idea

    57 vote(s)
    8.5%
  11. patsy and john helped cover it up

    9 vote(s)
    1.3%
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  1. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    Excellent points!

    When you look at the rope around her neck and imbedded in it and compare it to the loosely tied wrists and the fact that she was found wrapped in her favorite blanket. That shows me a very conflicted killer. One that shows concern and a desire to undo what's been done.
     
  2. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    IMO the killer wasn't looking into her face. The evidence shows she was face down. Wouldn't a sadistic murderer want to watch the last breath leave her body?

    IMO the head bash left her unconscious with her brain swelling. It was bad and the killer knew it, heard her skull crack.
     
  3. chlban

    chlban Well-Known Member

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    [/QUOTE]

    I have always considered it likely that the head injury was such that Patsy believed she was already dead. But she, or whichever R it was, may have realized she was not dead but so badly injured that there was no way to explain it away as another "accident".
     
  4. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    I have always considered it likely that the head injury was such that Patsy believed she was already dead. But she, or whichever R it was, may have realized she was not dead but so badly injured that there was no way to explain it away as another "accident".[/QUOTE]

    I will never forget the sound my sons head made when he fell into the nightstand while jumping on my bed! The words "stop jumping" had just left my lips when I saw him, it seemed like in slow motion, then his head hit. That sound...!!! I thought he was surely dead!
    He wasn't and immediately began to cry as I filled a bag with ice and raced to the ER. I was amazed to learn he didn't have a concussion, just a nasty lump.
    I can't even imagine the sound her little head must have made:(
     
  5. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    I have always considered it likely that the head injury was such that Patsy believed she was already dead. But she, or whichever R it was, may have realized she was not dead but so badly injured that there was no way to explain it away as another "accident".[/QUOTE]

    I always thought JonBenet was struggling to breath and to end her suffering or speed up the process she was strangled with a rope, and the paint brush handle was needed for leverage when the murderer discovered how difficult it was.
    In for a penny, In for a pound.
     
  6. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Maybe.. Maybe not. Still never been a parent ever that garroted their child. I have not found one case and I have been looking a long time.
     
  7. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    I haven't found one either.

    I also haven't found a child left dead in the home along with a ransom note.

    Never heard of a three page ransom note either.

    Never seen two parents so reluctant to work with law enforcement. Instead, appear on CNN.

    Never seen two parents that wouldn't talk to a possible witness, Burke, about what he may have seen or heard.

    Never seen the father of a murdered child want to leave the state to attend an important meeting the very day their child is found murdered in his own home.
     
  8. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Right? The whole scene is unique to me it screams bad plan from an outsider. A Parent schemes better, Hides the body. Does not leave it in the home to find..

    What happened here does not go alone with the KISS rule.
     
  9. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    It screams of a unplanned frantic attempt at covering up a head bash. Seems a moment of rage and a single strike to JonBenet's head set everything else in motion.
    It seems over the top, like something a drama queen looking to deflect attention away from what was done.
     
  10. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    BBM: And while appearing on CNN state they will work with the BPD, giving them everything. And when BPD is in Atlanta where the Ramseys are, they leave...Go figure...Yep, that is some great cooperation there. Just sayin.'

    JMO
     
  11. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    You're right about the garroting but you need to remember here, that it was team R (thanks Lou Smitt) that called it a garrote, everyone else called it a ligature (especially the ME called it a ligature) and other parents have used ligatures to strange their children...

    Texas Mom Described Strangling Her 2 Autistic Kids
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-mom-told-911-strangling-autistic-children/story?id=11227619

    Children's frantic fight as father strangled them
    Relatives broke down and wept as Northampton Crown Court was told how the children struggled and tried to remove the ligatures from their necks.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-32841/Childrens-frantic-fight-father-strangled-them.html

    6 Children Found Strangled After Mother Confesses to 911
    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/09/05/us/6-children-found-strangled-after-mother-confesses-to-911.html

    I can add cases all day long of parents that strangled their children and most used some form of ligature... It does happen Scarlett....
     
  12. Agatha_C

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    I also forgot to add that when a family member murders a child, that child is often found in or near the home...

    Baby Elaina and Caylee Anthony come to mind and thats just two of many....
     
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    Hi AgathaC

    And the ligatures were posing devices.
     
  14. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    The use of the paintbrush handle to fashion a crude "device" for leverage points away from John. IMO he simply wouldn't need the extra leverage.

    The fact it was made while around her neck ...while she was unconscious, proves it wasn't some sadistic sex game gone awry. IMO
     
  15. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    No.No one covers up a head bash with a garroting.. No one.. Not ever. This is a sick twisted someone who broke into this house and had horrible plans.
     
  16. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    It is a garrote. There is no doubt about that.

    But I do know that people are hideous and do awful things to their children. IT is sickening. But the more I look at this, the more I see it with fresh eyes, I see something that is not done by these parents. This was someone else. There is enough that points to someone else being in that house that night.
     
  17. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    People conceal crimes everyday.

    People stage crime scenes to divert attention away from themselves everyday.

    People, parents attempt to hide the bodies of the children they murdered all the time. Only difference, they don't write 3 page ransom notes. They do often claim their children were abducted/kidnapped

    Nothing new or mysterious about it.
     
  18. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Well, either way you look at it, someone did. Whether it was the Ramseys or the "intruder." Someone put the garrote on JB's neck to cover the head wound.

    JMO
     
  19. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    If it was indeed a garrote, it would have been brought to the crime scene and made before hand. This wAs nothing more than a stick used to gain leverage. Not some sophisticated sexual device.
     
  20. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Im not sure about that.. I can think of children that are gone and never are found and it is suspected it was the family...

    Still even at or near is not in the house and call the police for them to find her. That just does not make any sense.
     
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