Found Safe KY - Kenneth Howard, 22mths, Salyersville, 12 May 2019

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  1. ilovematt

    ilovematt Well-Known Member

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    Well I just rabbit holed over on FB groups.. I only follow the larger ones. There is some tea being spilled and photos of characters. I’m convinced we yet again will not have the hopeful outcome.
     
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  2. swanniee11

    swanniee11 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, and what did he see? Did he actually see Kenneth at that time? Did this all take place with multiple people around? ( I don't expect you to have these answers, just asking out loud! ) IMO
     
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  3. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I was wondering if any bear had been seen in the area.... We've had them on our place, so I keep a watch out for them.
     
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  4. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    Wouldn’t the dogs have been able to track that?
     
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  5. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    DBM
     
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  6. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Oh, yes, I do remember the Corvette Museum event -- now I understand it better -- here and then gone. That sounds like it could happen to anyone or anything if in the wrong area. Scary.
    I'm still stuck on the dog search -- even if they didn't go out as far as was needed, certainly due to fatigue, etc., they still should have been able to locate a scent from around the house.
    (Please excuse my hang-up with the dogs -- I know I sound like a broken record -- I just don't understand that part of the investigation.)
     
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  7. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Legally they have to ask for consent. That's all. If they don't then anything they find that might relate to a crime, would be useless.
     
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    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    deleted -- duplicate post
     
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  9. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    They wouldn't be looking for a bear scent though. If he'd run up on a mother black bear it could explain why he vanished so quickly. They are faster than they look. This is mid-May, so they're caring for cubs, still, and are protective. We had cubs and a mother pass through our place, and in surrounding places in the county. I warned everyone I knew on our road. Bears normally don't pose a problem unless people have been feeding them, or they get nervous about their cubs.
     
  10. melodyl

    melodyl Well-Known Member

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    I believe this is what the Sheriff is talking about when he's referencing circumstances he needs to keep under wraps. I don't know if there are large wild animals in the area, but I do know that it's been cold enough to cause death, especially if you've gotten wet from muddy swampy areas and puddles. I wouldn't want to say that outloud to anyone that is searching for him and definitely not to the parents.
     
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  11. melodyl

    melodyl Well-Known Member

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    I'm hoping that you're talking about a family member taking him. Haven't heard anything about a mother being in the home. I really hope they think that the mom came and took him, if she doesn't live in the home with him & his dad.
     
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  12. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    But if the bear takes a toddler I think it would stand to reason that the dogs could track the toddlers scent towards where the bear was taking him.....

    According to search and rescue , the dogs were never able to pickup a scent

    Jmo
     
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  13. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    It's according to the dogs and their training. I don't know which kinds they have used thus far.

    Air-scent dogs work with their nose in the air. They pick up human scent anywhere in the vicinity -- they don't need a "last seen" starting point, an article to work from or a scent trail, and time is not an issue.

    Tracking dogs work with their nose to the ground. They follow a trail of human scent -- typically heavy skin particles that fall quickly to the ground or onto bushes -- through any type of terrain. These dogs are not searching, they're following: Tracking dogs need a "last seen" starting point, an article with the person's scent on it to work from and an uncontaminated trail."

    Cadaver and water-search dogs are the only types specifically trained to scent for human remains, although all SAR dogs will alert to remains if they find them."

    How Search-and-rescue Dogs Work

    ETA: Sometimes dogs just miss a scent. Like humans, they are fallible.
     
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  14. proctorelites

    proctorelites Well-Known Member

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    I am like many WSers. Why did they suspend the search less than 24 hrs in? That is so bizarre to me volunteers are not professionals. So my ideas: Remember the kidnappings where a child would be abducted from their room. Kidnapper would either walk right in the door or go through their bedroom window, pick them up & walk away. 24 hours later they'd be found down the road from home, alive but...abused. If I'm not mistaken this was on FBI site or the culprit was on video on their site? Anyway, I'd call off a search if I thought a kidnapper might bring a child back and drop him nearby if I blvd they were scared of the searchers or crowd etc. Then there is always a family member thT runs LE off the property in a raging fit for implying their family's involvement in a disappearance....then there's the possibilty no scent to track etc or the wrong type of scent dog, regroup & come back with a different type scent dog at this stage? Are they using cadaver dogs yet?
     
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  15. Cardinal47

    Cardinal47 Well-Known Member

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    I'm just catching up with this one but I think I became aware of little Kenneth missing because I read Toney Wade and his Cajun search and rescue are headed there!
    I'm confused. Is the search on or off?
     
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  16. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    This site has several updates. News 11p.m. said they were still searching. They did stop for awhile and then resumed. I personally think they needed fresh SAR dogs, and people. It's a small community.

    Search for Kenneth Howard
     
  17. Future Mrs Clint Eastwood

    Future Mrs Clint Eastwood Member

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    I'm from Salyersville, Ky. Grew up there, still have lots of family & friends there. I agree. One of 2 things has happened, imo. My brother is a member of the Rescue Squad. He was sleeping when I called to ask him if he knew anything new. But, I have spoke to others, includings friends that are related to this family & this has almost all I spoke with scratching their heads. And I was told (hear-say) the mother, Samantha Martin, & the father, Elden Howard, are divorced, or in the process, but are still living together.
    Unfortunately, imo- this isnt going to end well. When I was first told about this, I just had an atrocious feeling. Is it because of so many lurid stories we hear more & more on the news? Maybe, but at the end of the day, 1+1 will always equal two. If it doesnt, somethings wrong.
    Ive had a terrible, gut wrenching feeling, and as each hour goes by, the unwanted outcome appears to be forcing through to reality. I hope with everything in me that Im wrong. I hope, like many, that this repugnant feeling is wrong. I hope this beautiful, sweet, innocent child is brought to safety--alive. If the unfathomable has happened,,, at least let his little body be found and laid to rest.
    *Also--Not sure what page # I saw the link someone posted,(Im sorry,having issues w/ lagging & not able to click pages on this thread) but "Combs Branch", is not the same road as "Kenneth Combs Branch", where little Kenneths parents live. Thats the total opposite side of the County. Combs Branch is "sorta" toward Morgan County. The Howard's live near the Floyd County line.
     
  18. Future Mrs Clint Eastwood

    Future Mrs Clint Eastwood Member

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    Imo- I believe when its being said they "were called off", that doesnt mean all the agencies stop looking. Perhaps the local Rescue Squad, for time being. I previously read that they had been called off, but I spoke to a neighbor that said that wasnt true(at that time).She drove past several cars from different surrounding counties, and there was several still looking.
    Imo, it just doesnt make sense to stop searching, until he is found--and hopefully alive(surely there would be something to show signs of animal incident, ---if that were the case) There are coyotes, bears, and have also been bobcat sightings in the County.
    I hope this is allowed: The local news station is called "Our News Today with Ritt Mortimer". Can be watched on FB. Comes in at 7pm,EST. Also, the larger news Stations are WKYT and WYMT (Both Eastern KY) as well as WSAZ (Huntington WV)
    Please keep this little boy, his loved ones, & all those searching in your thoughts.
    Thank You
     
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  19. osu

    osu Well-Known Member

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    I watched the Mother’s interview. I do sympathize with her because she does appear to be grieving.

    She doesn’t call “Kenny” by name, she just says she feels dazed and she can’t eat or sleep.

    No mention of her concern that her 22 mo old baby is out in the night, all alone, cold, wet and hungry.

    IMHO, sadly, I think an accident happened to little Kenny and this is a cover up by the parents to make it appear that he just wandered away.

    Very sad.


    JMHO
     
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  20. Elgana

    Elgana Well-Known Member

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    I can't help but agree. I almost felt that she was acting in that video and talked more about how she was feeling than what might be happening to her son.

    I know it's easy to be suspiscious of the parents in these cases but I do feel a bit odd about the mother in this one. Haven't made my mind up about the father yet.
     
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  21. zecats

    zecats Well-Known Member

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    So in this case, Kenneth either fell into a hole and was swallowed up by the earth. Or someone was lying in wait to snatch him and run uphill into the woods. Or...what else? Because he's a little boy and he didn't just go poof' and vanish. JMO
     
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