Identified! KY - Louisville, Male UP13747, with outdoor gear, Apr'15 - Name not found

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  1. dewey decimal

    dewey decimal Member

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    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/13747

    There is no gender listed, but from the clothing it sounds likely to be a male who was fishing/hiking: Realtree brand Redhead Gilly camouflage jacket size 2XL/3XL
    Dickies brand navey blue thin nylon cargo pants. Other items found with body: Woodland Fieldline Pro Series camoflauge backpack, Fieldline Pro Series water bladder, Brunton blue plastic compass, single edged hunting knife with brown sheath and white/brown handle, single edged serrated black handle pocketknife, Off Deepwoods insect repellant, fishing line with bobber and hook, Visine eye lubricant.


    Unfortunately, there aren't any estimates as to height/weight or how long the person has been there.
     
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  3. bflocket

    bflocket Well-Known Member

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    It states the type of contacts he had. I take it they were unused/unopened contacts. I wear that kind and it states that they expired MAR '16.

    Whenever I get new contacts, I never pay attention to how far in the future the expiration dates are. I will know (hopefully) soon though when I get a new set. I screwed mine up last week and I think I have the wrong prescription in each eye with no spares.

    That would help narrow down the date of death.

    Also, I've seen nothing on local (Louisville) news about this. Nothing at all.
     
  4. carbuff

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    The Namus page gives 2801 Granger Road in Louisville as the address where the remains were found. That's here: https://goo.gl/maps/s7TNo
     
  5. fred&edna

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    I'm not sure, but I think it's possible packaged contacts could be stamped with a 4-year expiration date.

    Depending on where a person lives, their contact lens prescription will expire long before the expiration date on the lenses. Here in Kentucky, it's 1 year.

    According to the article below, the Acuvue Oasys Hydraclear Plus was first manufactured/sold in 2005.

    http://www.jnjvc.com/sites/default/files/JJVC Company History and Milestones Fact Sheet.pdf
     
  6. bflocket

    bflocket Well-Known Member

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    There is a thread on Kyle Brown, who was recently found deceased. There were a couple of vehicles, along with a body, found in a SE Illinois lake. The body found in one vehicle was Mr Brown.

    Before the official identification, it seems they were also thinking it could possibly be a Joel Moore.

    I am just bringing him up because he's from an adjoining state and was noted to have taken no belongings other than contact lens solution. That made me think about these remains.
    Where he went missing isn't really close to Louisville, but it isn't too far either.
    The lack of details on this UID make it hard to pare down possible people.

    But he went missing in early-2010, so I don't know if his contacts would have expired as late as the ones found with these remains.
     
  7. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Charles Buster Jr was known to wear contacts. LKA date is in 2011 so the expiry date on the contacts might not work unless he was somewhere for a while.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13466/48

    Jeremy Wooten:
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/24896/10
    Last seen 9/2013
    Jeremy Wooten was known to live on the riverfront in Louisville, KY or underneath the Silver Creek Brige which is a boundary for the Floyd and Clark County line in Indiana.

    Nothing about whether he wore contacts or not but if he set up homeless camps near rivers he might have fishing gear.

    Anthony Sipple disappeared wearing a camo jacket and a black digital watch and had a backpack with hiking supplies including a hunting knife. The other clothing details don't exactly match and he'd be quite far from home (AZ).
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28329/0

    Missing from neighbouring county in unknown circumstances and clothing but is known to wear contacts: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20892/92
     
  8. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    I don't think I'd assume the person is male. Fishing clothing tends to be fairly unisex...
     
  9. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Does Gilly jacket mean to say it was a ghillie jacket? The leafy sort of camo?
     
  10. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    FWIW...

    I work for an eye surgeon/ophthalmologist and we have a stock of various brands/types of contacts (including AO Hydraclear). I checked the expiration dates and most were marked "2018".
     
  12. fred&edna

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    Found a video of a Fieldline backpack (w/water bladder), the reviewer appears to be a member of SHTF "survivalist" group. I wonder if the UID had similar interests??
     
  13. bflocket

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    So can we assume that the 2016 date would mean they were bought in 2013 (+/- a year or so)?

    That is the best "dating" info we have on this guy since so little info is available.
     
  14. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Yep, that's my best guess.

    It's possible that when J&J first began manufacturing the lenses there was an expiration period of greater than 3-4 years, but the only way to know for certain is to contact the company (and I'd rather leave that to LE - which I hope they are doing!)
     
  15. bflocket

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    I looked up that address earlier and I know the general area the bones were found. It looks like the closest "fishing hole" would be Silver and/or Crystal Lakes to the west.

    I wouldn't think that it would be a place to go hiking either. It's kind of hemmed in by the Gene Snyder (I-265 / KY-841) and I-65 without any trails that I know of. I guess it's good that someone WAS hiking there, or this poor soul might never have been found.

    There are several places that would make sense to hike nearby such as the various parks where Mitchell Hill and Holsclaw Hill rise from the city into Bullitt County. I don't hike because I'm too lazy, but I love driving around there. Coming from the south (near Brooks, KY) and at the top of the hill, both Holsclaw Hill Rd and Mitchell Hill Rd have panoramic and stunning views of most of the Louisville Metro. You can't really tell how much of the city you can see unless it's night, when the city is lit up.
     
  16. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if LE looked for any signs of a tent or camping. The contacts are a 2-wk lens, so I can't imagine why the UID would have an extra box if he was just planning on an overnight fishing trip.
     
  17. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Following Google street view, it appears that Granger Road ends at 2725. (There's a gate, and a security code entry box is visible on the left)

    The Hills Venture LLC are owners of the property at 2801 Granger Road.

    And, Verizon is listed at 3000 Granger Road. (I'm thinking there's a cell tower there)

    (IMO) It seems a little strange that this UID was fishing/hiking in this area when approximately 5 miles to the west is Jefferson Memorial Forest/Tom Wallace Lake which is a designated Audubon Wildlife Sanctuary that includes miles of hiking trails, fishing, and camping areas.


    Street view map:
    https://www.google.com/maps/@38.106...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1si55FPTDM7jOwQDELmQvjYg!2e0

    Verizon at 3000 Granger Rd:
    https://plus.google.com/106355181532171631726/about?gl=us&hl=en

    Hills Venture:
    http://www.statelog.com/the-hills-venture-llc-fairdale-ky

    Jefferson Memorial Forest:
    https://louisvilleky.gov/government/jefferson-memorial-forest/outdoor-activities


    ** ETA 'Just noticed there's a residence at 2801 Granger Road

    https://jeffersonpva.ky.gov/property-search/property-details/255060/?StrtNum=2801&Single=1
     
  18. carbuff

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    More or less random thoughts about the case.

    There are a lot of reasons why a hiker or fisherman or other outdoors person chooses the places they go. Sometimes it's because a place is small and isolated and not many other people go there. The facilities may not be as nice but there's more privacy. It may be easier to get to, or hold fond memories of childhood, or not feel as threatening to a woman alone. It might be a place dogs can run off leash. It might be a private place where they can smoke a joint while fishing and not worry about anybody interrupting them. Maybe they were geocaching. Mr. Carbuff and I like one nearby path because on the drive home, we can stop at our favorite coffee shop :D

    So my first guess is that this person lived nearby -- maybe somebody who lived alone and people thought had moved away. Or that at some point there was an abandoned car found nearby that wasn't associated with a missing person. I wonder if there were any animal control requests for an abandoned dog?
     
  19. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    BBM When I first read about this case that's exactly what I was thinking.

    And, I agree, it could be easier/nicer/preferable to walk over to Mr. So-and-so's pond and do a little fishing rather than drive 5 miles to a lake, but the only strange thing about that is... why take 2 weeks worth of contacts??
     
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    I know hikers who always carry extras. My daughter keeps extra stashed in her car. Not sure how many though.

    Or maybe they had just picked up a new batch.
     
  21. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    True, lots of people carry extra boxes.

    But, have your daughter take care if stashing them in her car for extended periods ;) The contact lens tech at the office would fuss at her for this, lol
     

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