KY KY - Nancy, WhtFem Skeletal 39UFKY, 24-45, synovial joint pathology, Jul'95

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  1. Giuc0

    Giuc0 Active Member

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    Per NamUS, Laura Louise Smith Williams is not in the ro list

    Shall I resubmit to the NamUS case manager?

    ETA: only 2 UID ro and Nancy Doe is not one of them
     

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    Ok, I did submit again Laura Louise Smith Williams as a potential match both to the KY ME & the NamUS regional responsible.

    Now, it's wait and see!
     
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    Got the answer from KY ME this afternoon.


    So, she was ro today Oo
     
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    Very good that you got a response so quickly! That’s a huge relief, knowing someone associated with the case is receptive to our submissions!

    I’ve been looking at Rose Mary West... There’s so little about her case though :confused: and she’s a couple of years over the estimated age of this UID. A little taller... but I see a bit of a resemblance and the time frame and circumstances seem to match up...
     

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    The funny thing I found is that Laura was ro the day I submitted her Oo

    If you read the email I quoted, it says that she was ro "today".

    Also, IMO, the fact that I live on another continent separated by Atlantic Ocean might have helped. It's only my opinion, that's it!
    So, do not take my paragraph as gospel, please!


    ETA: sent ME's reply to NamUS contact for our UID.
    FWIW, it can let them know through the officers that a specific MP was ro and it's an official answer from the ME or LEO in charge. Maybe it'll help them updating their RO lists?
    @CarlK90245 what's your opinion?
     
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    Before making any decision, would you please find old newspapers articles about her being missing?

    Because before sending, I want to be sure she did or did not have a pathology limiting her mobility. Because if she didn't have any medical condition limiting her mobility, it's a blatant rule-out IMO.

    ETA: I'll contact LEO for Rose's case to inquire more about whetheter a medical condition was listed. Because if she was as healthy as a horse, IMO, it's a blatant rule-out !
    If the only med she takes is a Tylenol once in a bluemoon, it can not be a match!
     
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    Oh yes! Most times when I post a suggestion here, it’s because I’ve done just enough research so far to make me think it’s possible. Sometimes I’ve hit a brick wall and other times I’ve focused so intently on one particular person that I have to force myself to step away for a bit. Either way, Ive grown to respect and appreciate the opinions of many other WSs, so it’s always nice to get feedback!

    It actually takes quite a bit to make me comfortable enough to contact an agency about one of the cases. There are a few times I’ve felt extremely confident and contacted LE/ME regardless of what others thought lol. But those times were usually because I found something that seemed relevant to a case that involved or could potentially involve an aspect of the case beyond the identification of the UID or MP; the subsequent investigation.

    So, I guess to answer your question, yes I will look for other information on Rose Mary West. It was difficult when I first entered her name in to search because apparently there is another woman with a similar name who seems to be a very frequently researched topic. I’m not sure about the details but I know it was hard to find anything pertaining to someone besides her! ;)

    I appreciate your thoughts and feedback and even more so, your willingness to help with these cases! It’s good to have passionate and concerned fellow sleuths to work with! :)
     
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    Thank you

    Before submitting, we need to know if she has health issues consistant with the UID.
    It would not make sense submitting a MP whom only issue is wearing glasses and takes Tylenol once in a blue moon while our UID has mobility issues.

    My opinion is that your suggestion can work, as long as we can know about any health issue.
    It's the only way to know if it can work or if it's a blatant rule-out.
    We can not stay in such limbo wondering if we submit or not.

    The devil hides in the details!

    I'd love to enquire to LE about your possible match, but phone is very problematic for me.
     
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    Also, even if not relevant to the investigation by itself, submitting a potential match is a start. Because it actually helps the investigation.

    How do you eat an elephant? Bite after bite.

    So, an information limited to ID can be crucial to jump-start an investigation.
     
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    Also, you made enough research, but the amount is not all.

    You can have very few info, but a small detail changes everything.

    Age estimation can be off, heigh can be off, and recons are often off.
    Matches have been found with more than 10 years age difference, mind you!

    For Rose, my opinion is "could be, but it worth submitting only if we get more details about her health".
    This info makes or break your suggestion.
     
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    Tried to call LE. Communication was cut short and I have an amount of work that I have 00 time spending on hold & being cut short. Ugh!

    If you feel like calling them, go for it!
     
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    List of NamUS ro (Jan 16th 2020)
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

    Laura Williams has been added as a RO

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    MP7079
    Laura
    Williams
    07/25/1994
    Ulster
    NY
    MP10555
    Denise
    Pflum
    03/28/1986
    Fayette
    IN
    MP416
    Brenda
    Lambert
    07/26/1992
    Mercer
    WV
    MP1648
    Patsy
    Clark
    03/04/1987
    Pulaski
    AR
    MP8564
    Cheryl
    Murray
    04/01/1994
    Peoria
    IL
    MP23810
    Glenda
    Fields
    06/06/1993
    Grainger
    TN
    MP23648
    Susan
    Riedling
    03/31/1986
    Bullitt
    KY
    MP1363
    Bobbi
    Campbell
    12/30/1994
    Salt Lake
    UT
    MP14098
    Linda
    McHugh
    12/30/1993
    Kent
    MI
    MP22510
    Madalene
    Neace
    10/25/1994
    Stark
    OH
    MP16945
    Colleen
    Voitik McHugh
    04/17/1994
    Will
    IL
    MP2956
    Karen
    Spencer
    12/29/1989
    Clermont
    OH
    MP1698
    Melanie
    Flynn
    02/26/1977
    Fayette
    KY
    MP20328
    Julie
    Brumfield-Gann
    09/12/1994
    St. Tammany
    LA
    MP10479
    Charlotteal
    Pollis
    03/12/1994
    Trumbull
    OH
    MP11194
    Angelia
    Hilbert
    06/03/1989
    Jefferson
    KY
    MP2078
    Susan
    Adams
    09/30/1990
    Idaho
    ID
    MP17088
    Denise
    Fraley
    09/12/1982
    Linn
    IA
    MP2238
    Patricia
    Calloway
    03/03/1993
    Ohio
    KY
    MP2413
    Tiffany
    Sessions
    02/09/1989
    Alachua
    FL
    MP2707
    Robin
    Abrams
    10/04/1990
    Will
    IL
    MP1100
    Hazel
    Klug
    05/20/1986
    Henrico
    VA
    MP8530
    Janis
    Sanders
    08/05/1975
    Berrien
    MI
    MP9045
    Vicki
    Nisbett
    12/14/1991
    Williamson
    TX
    MP10869
    Debra
    Childers
    03/22/1995
    Gaston
    NC
    MP10496
    Gloria
    Korzon
    03/06/1981
    Bucks
    PA
    MP10439
    Michele
    Julson
    08/02/1994
    Burleigh
     
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    Just spoke to the detective who reviewed Marie Rose West's file.

    No medical condition has been listed in her file.

    I strongly doubt it's a match because her mobility was not impaired. For me, this inconsistency is a RO.
     
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    July 8, 1995. The Courier-Journal, Louisville, Kentucky.
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    July 4, 1995. The Paducah Sun, Paducah, KY.
     
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    Two possible complications:

    1. Depending on how badly the condition impacted her life, the decedent might not have been aware she had a general mobility issue. She might have just thought she had weak wrists.

    2. Even if the missing person had issues and was aware of them as a medical condition, the person making the missing persons report might not have known about it if it wasn't something that they talked about or made public.

    I agree it makes Marie Rose West much less likely, but I don't see it as a complete rollout if everything else matches.
     
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    I agree with everything minus "she was not aware nor the family".
    Because even without a medical diagnosis, the MP and family certainely noticed the reduced mobility, that something was not right.

    It doesn't mean they had a diagnosis, nor a treatment. But not noticing a reduced mobility in her joints, euh, m'enfin!
     
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    I found another good possibility (IMO) ...

    Anna Lee Manning
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    - Danville/Junction City, Kentucky (Nancy)
    - November 19, 1992 (July 1995 - PMI: 0-4 years)
    - 23 years old (24 - 45)
    - 5’0” (5’1” - 5’3”)
    - 108 lbs. (unknown)
    - Red/auburn hair (short, medium brown)
    - scar on right pinkie & red spot on back of head
    - last seen wearing blue jeans, shirt/blouse & tennis shoes (blue jean skirt, remnants of red shirt & white tennis shoes)
    - bizarre circumstances (per The Charley Project)
     

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