GUILTY KY - Sen. Rand Paul, Mowing Lawn, Attacked By Neighbor, Nov 2017

[JaneEyre]

All I will say at this point is that if you haven't spoken to a neighbor in 17 years after having worked with him and known him previously, that suggests some sort of ongoing dispute. You don't have to have words with someone after a dispute for the dispute to be ongoing. It sounds to me like it could have been a combination of things that built up over the years. It also sounds to me like the neighbor could benefit from some counseling, because even if the results of the attack had not been so serious, attacking someone from behind like that is a major problem.

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[rsd1200]

Give me a break. Louisiana has rules and HOAs as well. We even have zoning codes, imagine that.

You don't physically assault someone because they are a "neighbor from hell" as you put it. Boucher is the one who blindsided Paul. A man doesn't sucker punch.

IMO

I respectfully disagree. I may not like Rand very much, but, these two hadn't even spoken in years. I had a problem with a property dispute. It can get dicey. Thankfully it has been resolved and the hatchet has since been buried.

 

[Tawny]

People get SUPER upset over other people's property. There are physical altercations that happen in my neighborhood as well, over grass length. It gets out of hand really quickly.

My opinion? HOAs are a way for a handful of neighbors to control everyone else and the "authority" goes to people's heads. Instead of a nice community, it becomes all out war sometimes. Our district has been paying out the *advertiser censored** on lawsuits because of ONE man for YEARS because of it. He refuses to back down and board members won't drop it. So, do I believe this altercation is "just about clippings"? Yeah, I do.

Humans can be really cruel to one another over the stupidest ****.

As for not speaking for 17 years. I am positive there were passive aggressive actions being taken regularly on both sides of the dispute. One person leaves garbage cans out front knowing it'll piss off the neighbor. Neighbor retaliates by pointing a floodlight into the window of the first neighbor. Stuff like that. I don't know what all happened, but there have been murders over neighborly disputes ever since neighborhoods became a thing lol

 

[rsd1200]

All I will say at this point is that if you haven't spoken to a neighbor in 17 years after having worked with him and known him previously, that suggests some sort of ongoing dispute. You don't have to have words with someone after a dispute for the dispute to be ongoing. It sounds to me like it could have been a combination of things that built up over the years. It also sounds to me like the neighbor could benefit from some counseling, because even if the results of the attack had not been so serious, attacking someone from behind like that is a major problem.

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Yes, however, the attacker's neighbor, and former chair of the HOA, said Rand was the problem in the HOA. I do think something happened, re;the HOA and the man's property line, that sent the fella over the edge, after 17 years.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It's mind boggling that some think a physical assault was in order and A-OK. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. :thinking:

 

[JaneEyre]

People get SUPER upset over other people's property. There are physical altercations that happen in my neighborhood as well, over grass length. It gets out of hand really quickly.

My opinion? HOAs are a way for a handful of neighbors to control everyone else and the "authority" goes to people's heads. Instead of a nice community, it becomes all out war sometimes. Our district has been paying out the *advertiser censored** on lawsuits because of ONE man for YEARS because of it. He refuses to back down and board members won't drop it. So, do I believe this altercation is "just about clippings"? Yeah, I do.

Humans can be really cruel to one another over the stupidest ****.

As for not speaking for 17 years. I am positive there were passive aggressive actions being taken regularly on both sides of the dispute. One person leaves garbage cans out front knowing it'll piss off the neighbor. Neighbor retaliates by pointing a floodlight into the window of the first neighbor. Stuff like that. I don't know what all happened, but there have been murders over neighborly disputes ever since neighborhoods became a thing lol

Yup. Neighbor blows 2 foot tall grass clippings on our property, leaves a flipping tree down from a storm in his driveway blocking our view to get out of our driveway for weeks, blows his leaves into the street instead of bagging them so they blow into our yard and we have to bag them. Been there. Only when he tries to murder his chicken in my own yard did I finally have it with him. Even then, I didn't jump him, but... can't say I didn't want to smack him upside the head. But I only lived next to him for 3 years. Make that 17 and who knows.

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[JaneEyre]

Yes, however, the attacker's neighbor, and former chair of the HOA, said Rand was the problem in the HOA. I do think something happened, re;the HOA and the man's property line, that sent the fella over the edge, after 17 years.

Sure. But unless he's hurting an animal or person, you don't get physical.

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[JaneEyre]

It's mind boggling that some think a physical assault was in order and A-OK. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. :thinking:

I think people are simply saying they can see it happening over supposedly trivial stuff because it would not be the first time.

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[rsd1200]

Sure. But unless he's hurting an animal or person, you don't get physical.

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Oh, no. You can't but when people's anger have simmered for that long, there's even a name for it in the law, "heat of passion". Normally used in murder defenses but, I could see it happening in such cases as this.

Heat of Passion: A sudden uncontrollable state of mind, provoked by a blow, or some other personal provocation.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

All I will say at this point is that if you haven't spoken to a neighbor in 17 years after having worked with him and known him previously, that suggests some sort of ongoing dispute. You don't have to have words with someone after a dispute for the dispute to be ongoing. It sounds to me like it could have been a combination of things that built up over the years. It also sounds to me like the neighbor could benefit from some counseling, because even if the results of the attack had not been so serious, attacking someone from behind like that is a major problem.

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BBM. The neighbor could benefit from a felony charge. He can get counseling in prison.

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[JaneEyre]

BBM. The neighbor could benefit from a felony charge. He can get counseling in prison.

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Nobody said he shouldn't be charged.

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[BayouBelle_LA]

Senator Rand Paul returns to work after being tackled while mowing lawn

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1DD27W

"While I'm still in a good deal of pain, I will be returning to work in the Senate today, ready to fight for liberty and help move forward with tax cuts in the coming days and weeks," the Republican senator Paul said on a Twitter post.

 

[Tawny]

It's mind boggling that some think a physical assault was in order and A-OK. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. :thinking:

Where did people say that?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Sen. Rand Paul sees "no justification" for attack

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/sen-rand-paul-sees-no-justification-for-attack/

Paul told The Washington Examiner that he had not spoken to Boucher for a decade before the attack and that he could not conceive of a motive, but that "there is going to be a criminal prosecution."

"My first encounter was basically being hit in the back," Paul told The Examiner, which notes that he was "struggling to breathe and talk" during the interview. "We've never had words over anything, we've never had a dispute or discussion or words."

 

[JaneEyre]

Sen. Rand Paul sees "no justification" for attack

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/sen-rand-paul-sees-no-justification-for-attack/

Paul told The Washington Examiner that he had not spoken to Boucher for a decade before the attack and that he could not conceive of a motive, but that "there is going to be a criminal prosecution."

"My first encounter was basically being hit in the back," Paul told The Examiner, which notes that he was "struggling to breathe and talk" during the interview. "We've never had words over anything, we've never had a dispute or discussion or words."

Interesting that others in the community were under the impression that there had been a dispute. In my experience, it generally takes a lot for other neighbors to have that impression.

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[JaneEyre]

Interesting that others in the community were under the impression that there had been a dispute. In my experience, it generally takes a lot for other neighbors to have that impression.

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Of course, most politicians are pretty experienced at saying things are not what they actually are, and vice versa.

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[rsd1200]

Interesting that others in the community were under the impression that there had been a dispute. In my experience, it generally takes a lot for other neighbors to have that impression.

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hadn't spoke to him for a decade, then ads they'd had no words or dispute.. I think Rand was doing some sort of passive aggressive stuff and...karma bit him. You don't live beside someone for 17 years, stop talking for a decade, and ole dude blindsides ya while your jammin some tunes and mowing your lawn. Rand is the one who is said to be the difficult neighbor (and I believe that) in the subdivision.

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[human]

Give me a break. Louisiana has rules and HOAs as well. We even have zoning codes, imagine that.

You don't physically assault someone because they are a "neighbor from hell" as you put it. Boucher is the one who blindsided Paul. A man doesn't sucker punch.

IMO

I imagine some places do in LA but not when I was there back in the 80’s in the Cancer Alley area

 

[human]

Lots of victim blaming...

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Depends on whom you see as the victim

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Depends on whom you see as the victim

I truly hope that everyone sees the guy with six broken ribs and bruised lungs as the victim, rather than the guy who tackled him from behind.

Frankly, I'm appalled that the overall theme on this thread is that RP must have been a crappy neighbor so it's no wonder he was attacked. I'd sure rather live next RP than the nutcase violent guy.

New article, with some interesting snippets...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5078805/Rene-Boucher-assaulted-Rand-Paul-devaluing-home.html

The 'socialist' doctor charged with cracking Senator*Rand Paul's ribs in a crunching blindside tackle may have harbored a secret grudge against his*GOP*neighbor for spoiling his lakeside views and 'devaluing' his home, DailyMail.com can reveal.*

Rene Boucher, 59, told Paul in the wake of the mauling that he hadn't been able to sell his $740,000 house for ten years because the congressman's trees were 'in the way'.

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A look at boundary maps and overhead photographs also shows many of the 'offending' trees are on Paul's land - although one realtor pal told DailyMail.com the Boucher property probably didn't sell simply because it was overpriced.

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Initial reports suggested the two men had fallen out because of various 'landscaping' issues such as Paul dumping leaves or discarded branches in Boucher's yard.

However when DailyMail.com visited the exclusive gated enclave where the pair had lived alongside one another without incident for 17 years, both properties appeared tidy and well maintained.

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Rand mowed his own yard. It was always presentable. That's a very lame excuse if that's the one they are choosing to use.

'If there was a genuine problem this gentleman could have brought it to the homeowners' association board and they would have evaluated the situation.

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But they didn't ever mention one another. I didn't even realize they were neighbors.'

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Boucher has marketed the property as high as $849,500 but tax assessors say the 7,500 sq ft, two-story home is actually worth $740,000.

'Everyone says it's priced too high. He tried to sell it himself because he didn't want to pay any commission to a realtor,' explained Bullington.

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Boucher came closest to selling his house in April 2012 before prospective buyers Steven and Amanda Johnson pulled out of the deal to buy the house for $807,000, citing problems with the AC and a retaining wall.

He sued for breach of contract but the case was dismissed a year later.

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I just don't think a person goes walking up the road, sees his neighbor out on the lawnmower and goes racing across the hillside and blindsides him. If he did that then he was mentally ill

Personally I might welcome him back but it would be better for this community for him to leave. It's hard to forgive and forget six broken ribs.'*



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