GUILTY KY - Trey Zwicker, 14, beaten to death, Louisville, 11 May 2011 #1

[bettybaby00]

Amanda McFarland should never of had custody of either of her kids as long as she allowed Gouker to live with her/sleep with her/whatever with her. Cold, cold woman.

IA that the courts need to seriously vet BOTH parents in a custody case. I live in NY and the other day the had an article that was somewhat similar to this.

The parents split, and shorty thereafter the mom wanted to move to GA, and take the son with her. Fight ensued and court gave full custody to her, despite any evidence that there would be support in place after she moved down. She leaves kid with male "friend," as a baby sitter, and he beats the kid to death. Kid was 2 years old!

Sick, sick sick people in this world

Sorry to go OT

 

[Kimmer]

IA that the courts need to seriously vet BOTH parents in a custody case. I live in NY and the other day the had an article that was somewhat similar to this.

The parents split, and shorty thereafter the mom wanted to move to GA, and take the son with her. Fight ensued and court gave full custody to her, despite any evidence that there would be support in place after she moved down. She leaves kid with male "friend," as a baby sitter, and he beats the kid to death. Kid was 2 years old!

Sick, sick sick people in this world

Sorry to go OT

When JG was released from prison he was the only bio parent that JY had, since JY had found his mother dead of a drug overdose 3 years ago that is how JY ended up in the foster home.

 

[Cherry]

wth happened to the feeds/ all are down in the middle of jury ?

 

[bettybaby00]

Amanda McFarland should never of had custody of either of her kids as long as she allowed Gouker to live with her/sleep with her/whatever with her. Cold, cold woman.

When JG was released from prison he was the only bio parent that JY had, since JY had found his mother dead of a drug overdose 3 years ago that is how JY ended up in the foster home.

Ugggh this poor kid. I don't know a lot of background, but why was JG in prison anyway?

 

[Jewels53]

I can't believe that the defense would schedule a witness before the PT was finished. smh Like the judge said have the horse before the cart.

How come Joshua is not cuffed before he is taken back? He is in Jail isn't he?

I have also noticed different state's have different protocol on courtesy. The trial I just finished in FL they didn't stand for the judge or the jury. Where is our respect these days?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

How can this woman say that Gouker's presence did not make her worry about the safety of the kids??? Is she kidding me?
I don't believe that for a minute. OMO

 

[bettybaby00]

I can't believe that the defense would schedule a witness before the PT was finished. smh Like the judge said have the horse before the cart.

How come Joshua is not cuffed before he is taken back? He is in Jail isn't he?

I have also noticed different state's have different protocol on courtesy. The trial I just finished in FL they didn't stand for the judge or the jury. Where is our respect these days?

I know in a lot of jurisdictions they don't cuff the defendant or have them in prison garb b/c they are still innocent until proven guilty. Also the idea that it would be prejudicial as otherwise the jury might be swayed by that image.

 

[Kimmer]

Ugggh this poor kid. I don't know a lot of background, but why was JG in prison anyway?

I think he was in for an armed robbery that time but he has a rap sheet as long as my arm has been arrested something, like 19 times I know he did 8 years and w released in the fall of 2010 and got custody of JY in April 2011, and Trey was killed 2 months later....very sad case.

 

[tandt]

How can this woman say that Gouker's presence did not make her worry about the safety of the kids??? Is she kidding me?
I don't believe that for a minute. OMO

Exactly. Never worried about leaving her daughter w/ a man who (claims to) penetrate her with a banana & has an alleged (or even proven-- I don't know) sexual relationship w/ his cousin?

My heart goes out to her b/c she lost a son, but I just cannot understand mothers who invite (repeatedly) certain characters into the lives of their children.

 

[Kimmer]

Exactly. Never worried about leaving her daughter w/ a man who (claims to) penetrate her with a banana & has an alleged (or even proven-- I don't know) sexual relationship w/ his cousin?

My heart goes out to her b/c she lost a son, but I just cannot understand mothers who invite (repeatedly) certain characters into the lives of their children.

We also said that they had no contact for the 8 years he was in prison, yea right he is gone for 8 years and you don't file for divorce, I don't believe for a minute that they had no contact while he was in prison....I also find it odd that she and JG just happened to walk to the area that her son was found dead the next day, since JG plead guilty there was no trial for him, so a lot of this discovery I am hearing for the first time.

 

[Kimmer]

I know in a lot of jurisdictions they don't cuff the defendant or have them in prison garb b/c they are still innocent until proven guilty. Also the idea that it would be prejudicial as otherwise the jury might be swayed by that image.

Even though JY is being tried as an adult he has been held in Juvenile detention for the last 2 years so that may have something to do with not cuffing him in open court.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Interesting that they would proceed if this is the situation.

I'm not sure I can watch this whole trial. I feel so bad for the life this kid has had. I'm so torn. If he were indeed a part of this, letting him walk would be no better than the judge that gave his Dad custody. If he were to hurt someone else, people would be up in arms. But the Dad sounds so intimidating I'm not sure they could blame the kid for not doing what his Dad says.

I just pray, regardless that he gets some help!!!

Another opinion I have is that the court needs to start paying better attention to BOTH parents when custody is considered. Trey's Dad seems to have his head on much better than his Mother. I'm seeing more and more addicted Mothers with custody and Dad's with their hands tied. JMO

The most important thing in this case to me is for the truth to be brought to light. Trey is the true victim who was cruelly and brutally murdered and left abandoned in the dark. If Josh Young was involved he should be held accountable.

While I have sympathy for anyone who may have suffered neglect and abuse in their childhood I cannot let that cloud my vision when it comes to wanting justice for Trey.

Josh was 15 years old at the time, and I noticed in a video link that I watched, where he was being interrogated by the police, only to see how grownup he sounded/acted and mature beyond his years. It convinced me that Josh is not some naïve kid who did not know right from wrong.

It also irritates me somewhat in order to try and deceive the jury the defense thinks its wise to dress him up in an old man's sweater vest so that he appears to be geeky and even nerdy. No matter if he is guilty or innocent I don't think the true Josh Young is being shown in that courtroom at the defense table.

Letting him walk would be a travesty if he is indeed guilty. Just think of how many defendants would like to point the finger at another claiming someone else made them do it...hoping they wouldn't be held accountable by juries.

He very easily could have done this for his dad or he was even angry that Amanda had aborted his sibling. Maybe he became extremely angry when he saw how angry the abortion made his dad. Or because he adored his dad so much he could have done this to impress his dad or joined in on the brutal killing of Trey. For all we know he could be just like his dad and is proud that he is. His adoration for such a creepazoid is quite puzzling to me. It almost rises to the level of the Manson groupies who worshipped him.:scared:

IMO

 

[carnnell]

IMO this mother was stoned and probably did not keep track of where these kids, little Josh and Trey were allowed to come and go as they pleased, they had a Cousin of the Step Dad (Josh Sr) that lived 2 doors down , so I am sure if the boys said they were going to Cassie's (cousin) that they were allowed to go between houses and the ditch that Treys was found in also ran behind both houses.this all was in a short proximity to the house that both boys were living in.

Is Liberty High School off Indian Trial? I use to live in Louisville for 12 years. (J-town). I am trying to remember where Liberty High School. I know where Senecca is located. Fuzzy on where Fern Creek though I remember the high school.

Thanks

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't think the evidence proves he did anything. The father says he was not involved. There is no evidence linking him to the crime.
So far this is not working for me.

 

[cady]

Really confusing!! Is there a link to the cast of characters in this drama? Why is the Kid named Young if bio dad is Gouker? Who was his mother? thanks

 

[oceanblueeyes]

How can this woman say that Gouker's presence did not make her worry about the safety of the kids??? Is she kidding me?
I don't believe that for a minute. OMO

Because she would have to admit she had her children around a very bad man.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yup. He acted upset that people wouldn't let it go. Just one dead kid to him. I hope his fellow inmates help him understand just how tough he isn't.

Are we done for the day in court?

I read today that he has run his mouth while in jail and told inmates that he talked his son into murdering Trey.

I imagine we are going to see some of those jail inmates on the stand testifying.

IMO

 

[writer7]

I'm watching the trial (but came in late) because I'm trying to figure this kid out, yeah. So far I don't even know enough to know whether I feel like he's a 'bad seed' much less beyond a reasonable doubt. I keep missing the testimony about him, darnit!

I do know that it's certainly possible for psychopaths to enjoy each other and get very bold in what they do together. The Skylar Neese murder case is a good one to compare when trying to figure this one out, imho. OTOH, a parent like Big Josh could be impossible to defy because he's such terrorizing scum.

Is there a link to JY in his own words anywhere? All I found was a short police interview about smoking pot.

 

[MeeBee]

I don't think the evidence proves he did anything. The father says he was not involved. There is no evidence linking him to the crime.
So far this is not working for me.

So far, from what I know about this case, I don't believe he did it. At the very least, he was ordered to do it by the father. But that makes him a victim too.

I was reading a very interesting article just now and Josh's alleged Aunt posted comment in the comment section:

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[carnnell]

I hope they send JG Sr to Eddyville the roughest Max security prison in Kentucky and on the eastern side of the state far away from family and Amanda.

http://corrections.ky.gov/depts/AI/KSP/Pages/default.aspx