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So, was there in fact a couple with the last name Smith - comprised of a big cop with a wife named Pam?
I looked extensively for this mystery couple and haven't found one. I also tried to obtain records of who was employed by the police department and sheriff's departments at the time. I was told by the Chief that there wasn't one. The woman who was his secretary was the only person who was still employed now and in 1986. Chief Martin asked her to create a list several times over at least an 8 month period. She never did.I had even contacted the mayor's office and they said they did not know of any records like that. I created my own list based off of names the public remembered and names I found in the newspaper. I am sure I am missing someone which is frustrating. I looked up marriage records for the names I did find and had no luck.

Was Pam Smith (if there was such a person) Laura’s sister in law?
No one on the Smith side knew who she was. I inquired if there was anyone in law enforcement or married to someone in law enforcement. There was not.
Laura Gary was married to Steven "Ba'Boy" Smith. (Ba'Boy had 14 siblings.)


Why would ER not be able to remember their names, or where they lived?
I found this weird too. Especially if your wife went missing shortly after and you had nothing to hide.

After all, would the Smith’s have also been his brother and sister in law? (Weren’t Judt and Laura sisters?). I must be missing something
If Eric's story is true then this couple would have been Judy's sister Laura's in-laws, not Judy's.

Did JAG and her sister Laura get along?
Yes, they were the closest in age and very close.

What were they both (and possibly Laura’s sister in law (again, is that Pam? Pam
Smith?) doing dating / sleeping with (or possibly getting raped by) a monster like attempted murderer (sounds like, anyway) Ronald J Letullier? Was this while they (Judt, Laura, Pam - or at least Judy) were married?
Ba'Boy's sister that was dating Ronald Letullier is named Peggy.

When was Ronald sentenced?
Ronald Letullier was indicted in 1996.


And I get that JAG might’ve stayed barefoot and typically stuck close to home in Martinsville , but given all the above, I don’t think we can necessarily assume she was going nowhere when she was reportedly seen getting into a truck. Where was truck going?
After speaking to the pharmacy employees I feel confident she never made it to the pharmacy or there ever was a 4 door green car.

FM you certainly deserve huge kudos for researching the case and trying to find some justice for Judy. It seems however that with the case files and evidence missing, and so little real info available, this one may never get solved (unless of course JAG is found and DNA or other incriminating evidence is found at the scene.
Thank you. There is one little tiny huge thing I haven't mentioned yet. I am giving the police department until the end of the month in hopes they will do something. If not, I will definitely be sharing it here in hopes of getting fresh eyes on things.
Chief Martin as in Dickie Martin with a shady past??
 
So many questions..

So, Eric and Judy lived on LaSalle at the time. What did Eric mean then when he said it was after Hamilton when Judy started writing notes? Did they (or Judy) ever move to Hamilton (I guess to mother’s)?

Did Judy’s mother actually see her leave, on foot?

How long was it after Judy left her mother’s house that ER showed up?

Was ER ever asked why he did not return to Judy’s mother’s house where his mother in law was caring for his 1 1/2 y.o. son (Rickey) was for 2 whole days after he supposedly left to look for her?

Under this scenario, ER would have first (supposedly) gone to Judy’s mom’s house on Hamilton, then (supposedly) learned from Judy’s mom that Judy had gone to Hosp Pharmacy for her, then (supposedky) gone to Hospital Pharmacy, then supposedly spoken to the druggist, and (supposedly) learned that Judy gotten into a green car, and then… ER disappeared for 2 days?

Did Judy have any relatives who lived along the route she would have walked from her mom’s house on Hamilton to Hospital Pharmacy at N Main and Railroad Ave?

Tia and jmo

ETA
Didn't Mr. Fournet own the Hospital Pharmacy in those day? If so, I wonder if he or a family member would have a recollection of Judy’s visit?
 
So, Eric and Judy didn’t also live on Hamilton at the time that Judy went missing? I thought Eric said it was after they moved to Hamilton when Judy started writing notes?
No, they didn't live on Hamilton St. Her mother did and Laura and her husband Ba'Boy lived across the street on Hamilton. Judy and Eric lived on Lasalle St.
Eric did say that. He says many things. Judy could not read or right. She barely finished the 7th grade.
Did Judy’s mother actually see her leave, on foot?
I don't know the answer to that.
Both of her sisters said that it was a normal for Judy to walk to the store or pharmacy.
How long was it after Judy left her mother’s house that ER showed up?
Eric said it was later in the afternoon and said he had been at work.
Was ER ever asked why he did not return to Judy’s mother’s house where his mother in law was caring for his 1 1/2 y.o. son (Rickey) was for 2 whole days after he supposedly left to look for her?
Eric says that is not true and he would never leave his son. He said that everyone is lying because they don't like him.
Under this scenario, ER would have first (supposedly) gone to Judy’s mom’s house on Hamilton, then (supposedly) learned from Judy’s mom that Judy had gone to Hosp Pharmacy for her, then (supposedky) gone to Hospital Pharmacy, then supposedly spoken to the druggist, and (supposedly) learned that Judy gotten into a green car, and then… disappeared for 2 days?
That is correct.

The following statements were made by Eric's ex sister-in-law.
When she found out Judy was missing. She thought of the crop fields (sugarcane) behind
them (on Linden Lewis) and she said Eric was not right in the head.
He (Eric) left his job when Judy went missing Eric said that he came home and the baby was in a car seat by himself on the front porch (on Linden Lewis) with no one around. Eric called them to come over but she isn’t sure he actually reported it.
Did Judy have any relatives who lived along the route she would have walked from her mom’s house on Hamilton to Hospital Pharmacy at N Main and Railroad Ave?
Laura and Shirley all lived on the block.
 
FM, in an earlier post you said that it has been speculated that one or more LE officers may have known of Judy’s whereabouts in the (I guess first few) days after she went missing. Can you shed any light on that? Tia
Judy's mom was friends with Ted Broussard. He was a police officer in Broussard. Judy, Laura and their mother lived in a shotgun house on his property. This was just after her father passed away.
507 E. Main St in Broussard, LA
This would have been around 1982 when Judy was 15 or 16 years old.

Baboy and Laura both remembered that when Judy went missing Ted came by to let Judy's mom know they found Judy’s shirt with a large flower on it and her jeans in a storm drain/culvert. They never heard anything more.
Chief Martin and Ted are good friends. When I heard this story I went to the police department to speak with the detective. The Chief was pulling in and I told him about what Baboy had said and asked him about Ted Broussard. Ted was the Assistant Chief of Police in Broussard for many years. The Chief immediately called him on speaker phone. Ted doesn't remember them finding her clothes but did remember Judy and her family.
 
I'm from the area and Franks is not a common surname. On the other hand, Richard is extremely common surname and is pronounced Re-chard (French).
There was a Richard Franks living at 606 Washington St. in St. Martinville, LA at the time. That will be a big crawfish hole that I will post tonight.
 
Didn't Mr. Fournet own the Hospital Pharmacy in those day? If so, I wonder if he or a family member would have a recollection of Judy’s visit?
He did. I spoke to Tim Wescott regarding Judy's case and he talked with Lana Fournet Wescott about what she remembered. I posted about that conversation a few posts back.
 
I'm sorry if this has been explained previously, but I don't understand how the police had files/cards on her disappearance if no one actually reported it until recent years. How did the police find out about it originally?
Poor Judy was surrounded by abusers and predators her whole life, but the only one who stands out as defensive and attempting to deliberately hide the truth is Eric. The fact that he insists she ran off (a woman with no resources who could barely read/write) and then kept his son from her family for all those years after the disappearance is telling, especially considering what he himself was allegedly putting Judy through. All JMO. I hope he reveals the truth instead of taking his secrets to the grave. His son deserves better.
I believe the key would be finding out where he was for the two days following her disappearance when he was MIA. I also wish there was proof that he was at work the day she disappeared and wonder if the person Judy was having an "affair" with was ever confronted by Eric. Again, all MOO.
 
I'm sorry if this has been explained previously, but I don't understand how the police had files/cards on her disappearance if no one actually reported it until recent years. How did the police find out about it originally?
The report was just that she left Eric and not that she was missing. Can you imagine if every time someone is left by a spouse they file a police report? She was 19 and an adult so no one looked for her
Poor Judy was surrounded by abusers and predators her whole life, but the only one who stands out as defensive and attempting to deliberately hide the truth is Eric. The fact that he insists she ran off (a woman with no resources who could barely read/write) and then kept his son from her family for all those years after the disappearance is telling, especially considering what he himself was allegedly putting Judy through. All JMO. I hope he reveals the truth instead of taking his secrets to the grave. His son deserves better.
EXACTLY!
 
Judy's mom was friends with Ted Broussard. He was a police officer in Broussard. Judy, Laura and their mother lived in a shotgun house on his property. This was just after her father passed away.
507 E. Main St in Broussard, LA
This would have been around 1982 when Judy was 15 or 16 years old.

Baboy and Laura both remembered that when Judy went missing Ted came by to let Judy's mom know they found Judy’s shirt with a large flower on it and her jeans in a storm drain/culvert. They never heard anything more.
Chief Martin and Ted are good friends. When I heard this story I went to the police department to speak with the detective. The Chief was pulling in and I told him about what Baboy had said and asked him about Ted Broussard. Ted was the Assistant Chief of Police in Broussard for many years. The Chief immediately called him on speaker phone. Ted doesn't remember them finding her clothes but did remember Judy and her family.
I don’t think that as an LE officer having found Judy’s shirt and jeans in a culvert, or as an LE officer who’d been told that Judy’s shirt and jeans had been found in a culvert, it is something you would ever forget

This would seem to indicate that either Laura and her husband are mistaken (or lying) about what they remember about Ted coming by and what he said, or Ted is now lying about his earlier knowledge of the clothes and his visit to Judy’s mom to inform her

If Ted is lying, what motive would he have to do so? Is he still alive? Still LE? Any criminal record?

And it certainly makes one question the suggestion that Ted and Judy’s mom were friends.

Did the chief send Ted over to speak to Judy’s mom to kind of give her the impression that Judy was almost surely dead as her clothes had been found ? If so, why?

Did the chief ever have possession of Judy’s shirt and jeans? If so, how did he come to possess them? If they were “found”, who found them? And if they were found, we’re they ever part of the case file / evidence?

(The disappearance of the case file and evidence looks more and more suspicious the more I learn of the case (or think I have learned!)

Related questions:

-what day (when) did Ted supposedly come by to inform Judy’s mom that clothes had been found? How long after Judy’s disappearance?

- how would LE have even known what Judy’s shirt and jeans looked like? It seems they had been suggesting all along that she was just a wild runaway wife. Why would they have ever taken notes re: what she might have been wearing?

(and, who knew what she was wearing anyway? I guess Laura from having coffee?)

- if the account about Ted telling Judy about the clothes is true, why did St Martinsville LE (the chief) not immediately start an investigation into Judy’s disappearance (because it would've clearly been looking more like a poss. homicide at that point given that her clothes were found in a culvert)?

When were Judy, Laura, and their mom tenants of landlord Ted? (Is that the right way to put that?)

Was there ever a “relationship” between Judy and Ted, or Laura and Ted?

And Ted supposedly knew somebody out near where Eric’s parent’s lived (and the trailer where ER and Judy had at one time lived, near the cane fields?). (Please correct / clarify if my statement posed as a questions is not correct / logical)

When you told the horror story about Judy’s sister Mary Ann and Pierre H raping 3 of their daughters and basically sex trafficking them (along with, and to, their own son) and mentioned that there was speculation that some very well known individuals might have been part of that trafficking, would that include LE?

Where did Judy’s sister Mary Ann and Pierre H live?

I get confused sometimes by the two (or three?) “not in town” locations: where ER and Judy lived in a trailer near his parents and where Ray Sonnier and wife (and RJL?) lived apparently out near Isle Labbe Rd).

I’m still not convinced that Judy ever left her mom’s house of her own free will (but don’t want to detract from discussion if it is felt certain that she did).

But if she did, might not ER be considered a poi by some, and could ER and Judy’s old trailer have been a place where she was kept for a few days (which Ted, and/or the chief) might’ve known about)? I think I may be drifting to far from the shore…

Wish there was an eye witness account to her actually walking out the door and down the street.

All speculation, opinion, thinking out loud
 
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And FM, just to clarify from your post about what Eric’s ex sister in law said:

That “after Judy went missing, Eric left his job”. I assume this did not occur while Eric was gone for those two days after leaving Judy’s mom’s house. Not sure why Eric quitting would matter (after Judy’s disappearance)

And, that “Eric said that he came home and the baby was in the car seat by himself on the front porch (on Linden Lewis) with no one around.”

(and, continuing with what the ex sister in law said Eric said (but she didn’t know whether he followed through)

“Eric called them to report it but she isn’t sure he actually reported it”

Can you provide any clarification on the two posted comments, as I’m unsure when the ex sister in law is suggesting that Eric reported this to her (or to “them”), - and when ER was supposedly suggesting that it happened.

Does she mean that Eric suggested to her that he had found his son Rickey alone in a car seat on the porch of a home on / near Linden Lewis on the very day that he left Judy’s mom’s to go look for Judy? I thought Eric disappeared for two days?

If so, wouldn’t Judy’s mom have been able to refute by saying: “couldn’t have happened, Rickey was with me, Eric didn’t come back for two days”

Why was everybody so trusting (or, “dumb to”) the stories that ER was telling which apparently he didn’t even start telling until at least two days later- which he then apparently quickly contradicted (what he told LE about the green car - and what he later told his ex sister in law about Rickie in a car seat on the front porch)..

and apparently everybody who knew Judy (including her mother) bought ER’s story that she either got into a green car, or that she just ran away, and/or that “he (ER) knows nothing, the baby just showed up on his porch”

And then ol Ted shows up at Judy’s mom’s and says Judy’s clothes were found in a culvert, and still NOBODY (ER or relatives or LE) seem to show any concern, or question anything they’ve been told?

Idk what happened, but there had to have been a cover up / effort, an attempt by more than one person, to attempt to get everybody to forget that Judy ever even existed

All jmo
 
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Do you think this guy might know anything from internal discussions within the St. Martinsville Police Dept re: whether there has really been a re-opened and active investigation into Judy’s disappearance going on since 2022, or whether it’s all been just smoke and mirrors?

Might be worth an approach now, as it looks like he might’ve just gotten fired..


Jmo
 
I don’t think that as an LE officer having found Judy’s shirt and jeans in a culvert, or as an LE officer who’d been told that Judy’s shirt and jeans had been found in a culvert, it is something you would ever forget
I agree. I always forget the exact quote but if you always tell the truth then you will ever have to remember what the lie was.
This would seem to indicate that either Laura and her husband are mistaken (or lying) about what they remember about Ted coming by and what he said, or Ted is now lying about his earlier knowledge of the clothes and his visit to Judy’s mom to inform her
The helpful thing about Laura and Ba'Boy is that they DO NOT speak. It was a very bad marriage and divorce so when they talk about each other it is not nice. Their accounts of what they remember back then never seem to change or conflict. This is one of those events. When Laura told me it was because she wanted me to contact the Broussard police department to see if it was ever followed up on or what ever came of that. Ted being at the house was all she remembered. Laura said her heart sank when Ted mentioned the clothes.
If Ted is lying, what motive would he have to do so? Is he still alive? Still LE? Any criminal record?
At first, I thought that maybe they did find clothes that resembled hers. Maybe it didn't pan out? Ted is alive and retired.
I am not aware of a record.
And it certainly makes one question the suggestion that Ted and Judy’s mom were friends.
I am not sure how close they were and Laura didn't know for how long they had been.
At the time she went missing it had been 4 to 5 years that I can confirm.
Did the chief send Ted over to speak to Judy’s mom to kind of give her the impression that Judy was almost surely dead as her clothes had been found ? If so, why?

Did the chief ever have possession of Judy’s shirt and jeans? If so, how did he come to possess them? If they were “found”, who found them? And if they were found, we’re they ever part of the case file / evidence?
I am not sure who sent Ted over to talk to Judy's mom. He worked for the Broussard Police Department and she went missing in St. Martinville. (I am going to attach a map of these places.)
I am pretty sure that Chief Martin believed Ted so never looked into if there was evidence of a report.
(The disappearance of the case file and evidence looks more and more suspicious the more I learn of the case (or think I have learned!)
It looks very suspicious. What's worse is it's not just Judy's case files, it is all of them. Solved and unsolved.
-what day (when) did Ted supposedly come by to inform Judy’s mom that clothes had been found? How long after Judy’s disappearance?
Laura thinks it was roughly a month later. Laura said she was confused because she remembers that about a week after she went missing an officer named (Maybe Paula) served a subpoena a few streets over and said she saw her and she was ok. They were not sure what to believe. Paula was a deputy at the time at St. Martinville Police Dept but later became chief.
The current Detective has reached out to Paula a few times but she has not returned his calls.
- how would LE have even known what Judy’s shirt and jeans looked like? It seems they had been suggesting all along that she was just a wild runaway wife. Why would they have ever taken notes re: what she might have been wearing?
I have had this conversation with Judy's sisters, Laura and Shirley, and they don't know.
Do you know of any reputable sites that could account for the weather conditions that day? I have a hard time believing a 19 year would have been wearing jeans especially with as much walking as as she did, holding a child and his belongings. South Louisiana is very humid.
(and, who knew what she was wearing anyway? I guess Laura from having coffee?)
Laura said she didn't remember and Laura isn't 100% sure they met for coffee that exact day. She said it may have been a week before. She does however remember the conversation vividly.
- if the account about Ted telling Judy about the clothes is true, why did St Martinsville LE (the chief) not immediately start an investigation into Judy’s disappearance (because it would've clearly been looking more like a poss. homicide at that point given that her clothes were found in a culvert)?
Ted may not have known that an actually missing report had not been made. I don't know what the dynamics between the Broussard and St. Martinville police departments were back then.
When were Judy, Laura, and their mom tenants of landlord Ted? (Is that the right way to put that?)
Was there ever a “relationship” between Judy and Ted, or Laura and Ted?
This would have been around 1982 when Judy was 15 or 16 years old.
Not with Ted. But Judy was known for trying to "interact" with married police officers around then. Ted tried to scare her straight once telling her it wasn't ok. So it sounds to me like he was looking out for her, at least back then.
At that time, Laura and Ba'Boy had already started dating.
And Ted supposedly knew somebody out near where Eric’s parent’s lived (and the trailer where ER and Judy had at one time lived, near the cane fields?). (Please correct / clarify if my statement posed as a questions is not correct / logical)
Can you clarify? I don't understand this one
When you told the horror story about Judy’s sister Mary Ann and Pierre H raping 3 of their daughters and basically sex trafficking them (along with, and to, their own son) and mentioned that there was speculation that some very well known individuals might have been part of that trafficking, would that include LE?
Absolutely.
Where did Judy’s sister Mary Ann and Pierre H live?
By this point they had split and she was remarried to Lonnie Romero.
 
And FM, just to clarify from your post about what Eric’s ex sister in law said:

That “after Judy went missing, Eric left his job”. I assume this did not occur while Eric was gone for those two days after leaving Judy’s mom’s house. Not sure why Eric quitting would matter (after Judy’s disappearance)

And, that “Eric said that he came home and the baby was in the car seat by himself on the front porch (on Linden Lewis) with no one around.”
When his brother and SIL got there Rickey was gone. They asked where he was and Eric told them Judy's sister's had already picked him up.
(and, continuing with what the ex sister in law said Eric said (but she didn’t know whether he followed through)
“Eric called them to report it but she isn’t sure he actually reported it”
Can you provide any clarification on the two posted comments, as I’m unsure when the ex sister in law is suggesting that Eric reported this to her (or to “them”), - and when ER was supposedly suggesting that it happened.
I asked the SIL if Eric had reported Judy missing to the police before he ad called them to tell them she left is what I meant.
Does she mean that Eric suggested to her that he had found his son Rickey alone in a car seat on the porch of a home on / near Linden Lewis on the very day that he left Judy’s mom’s to go look for Judy? I thought Eric disappeared for two days?
If so, wouldn’t Judy’s mom have been able to refute by saying: “couldn’t have happened, Rickey was with me, Eric didn’t come back for two days”
Correct, he claimed this on what actually sounded like it was during the 24 to 48 hour window while he "out looking for her". The house on Linden Lewis is in Youngsville and not where she went missing from. From what I am told was the two families didn't interact
Why was everybody so trusting (or, “dumb to”) the stories that ER was telling which apparently he didn’t even start telling until at least two days later- which he then apparently quickly contradicted (what he told LE about the green car - and what he later told his ex sister in law about Rickie in a car seat on the front porch)..
and apparently everybody who knew Judy (including her mother) bought ER’s story that she either got into a green car, or that she just ran away, and/or that “he (ER) knows nothing, the baby just showed up on his porch”
Eric never told LE about the green car that we know of. He told the family that's what "the pharmacy staff told him".
I don't understand their blind trust either. None of her siblings cared for Eric. Her siblings didn't care for the police either so they just trusted that Eric was taking care of it.

The whole situation infuriates me.
 

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