LA LA - Slidell, WhtFem 20-30, 16UFLA, Breast Implants, Pregnant Jun'86

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  1. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    They got one fingerprint off the deceased. Who's to say that the print on the duct tape didn't belong to her?

    Whenever I've read about the injuries to her face, the majority of the time they are referred to as superficial. It's only a couple of more recent articles where I've read that they are stabbing wounds. It's possible someone has assumed those wounds were knife wounds. I would think the original autopsy report would have reported them as stab wounds if they were.
     


  2. aThousandYearsWide

    aThousandYearsWide Well-Known Member

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    Her reconstruction reminds me of the actress Marisa Tomei.

    The facial stabbing sounds horrifying. That to me seems like she might have been a model and the killer did it in a way to humiliate her. She had plastic surgery so it seems she was into keeping up with her appearance so it likely was something important to her and the killer knew that.

    I feel like this was a spousal murder. I wonder if they can trace the baby's DNA to the father.
     
  3. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    I keep reading about the facial stabbing wounds and defensive wounds. So far I've gone on about five or six different websites but there is no unequivocal information regarding the source of the wounds. I haven't come across a site that states her hands had defensive wounds on them.

    From Unsolved Mysteries:
    "Upon the body being brought in for examination, it was determined Jane Doe had died approximately 36 hours before being found. It was noted that her body had several minor cuts and blows to it, including numerous stab wounds to her face and a gash to the hand, but these were deemed superficial by the coroner. Police are unsure what caused these injuries."

    The Doe Network:
    "She had suffered numerous stab wounds to her facial area as well."
    "An autopsy revealed the woman died of asphyxia a day or two before the body was discovered."

    Unidentified Wiki:
    "The victim died from asphyxiation and a plastic bag was secured by duct tape around her head. She had been stabbed several times in the face as well."

    Stories of the Unsolved:
    'Upon the body being brought in for examination, it was determined Jane Doe had died approximately 36 hours before being found. It was noted that her body had several minor cuts and blows to it, including numerous stab wounds to her face and a gash to the hand, but these were deemed superficial by the coroner. Police are unsure what caused these injuries.

    An examination of Jane Doe’s blood showed small amounts of caffeine and alcohol in her system.

    Ultimately, the cause of death in the case was deemed homicide by asphyxiation. However, the coroner was unable to determine if this was by drowning, strangulation or suffocation."

    The Doe Network"
    "She had suffered numerous stab wounds to her facial area as well."

    Tapatalk:
    Unidentified Jane Doe found in slidell Louisiana in 1986

    Similar content. Was Tapatalk a precursor to Websleuths? I've seen it mentioned on many older posts but usually as a reference to uploading something.

    Without a copy of the autopsy report it is very difficult to say definitively that JD had stab wounds to her face when several reports state LE cannot identify the source other than mentioning injuries to the face. I haven't read ONE source where it was noted the JD had defensive wounds on her hands. I haven't read one source where the COD was anything other than asphyxia, even though it appears the coroner couldn't state whether through drowning, strangulation or suffocation. It's also obvious that sometimes information was being regurgitated from a couple of original sources with a few embellishments. I don't know if that's poetic license with some site owners to use as click bait or they know something we don't. The problem is over time the embellishments become part of the narrative when there isn't any supporting documentation.

    Is there a coroner's report? Computers were around back in 1986. Paper files were already being transferred to microfiche (oh I remember the headaches I used to get reading those). Because this case has sustained public interest and has for a long time, is it known whether criminal records were computerized to protect against potential damage due to hurricanes? I read that the law enforcement force during that time was inundated with corruption and an alarming loss of force personnel. That doesn't make this case any easier to solve.
     
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  4. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    Here's another website I was on.
    Lake Pontchartrain Jane Doe - The Demon's Den

    I think this was a smaller (and less successful) version of WS. There is one interesting thing in this blog. It's mentioned in the first post that it was only discovered 17 years after her disinterment for a DNA match for a missing Ohio woman that the JD had had cosmetic surgery done on her nose because it had not decomposed in the same manner as the rest of her face. Has anyone ever heard of this before?
     
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  5. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Have a nice day!

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    I recall reading a couple of times she possibly had cosmetic surgery done to her nose, but never the why/the reason for that.
     
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  6. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Have a nice day!

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    Maybe @folieadeuxnola knows. I consider her more or less the WS specialist in this case as she researched it for a long time.
     
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  7. Mrs. Badcrumble

    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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    I believe Tapatalk was the app solution used by the old WS format to access and navigate the forum on mobile and tablet devices. TT became obsolete and abandoned when WS upgraded to the XenForo software in 2018.
     
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  8. branmuffin

    branmuffin Well-Known Member

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    I also read that her facial cosmetic surgery was probably related to the other injuries she sustained, eg the hip fracture. So maybe all those other little scars on her body were related to an accident of some kind.
     
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    I have been following this case for a long time, but I only recently created a web sleuths account because I found a missing person’s case from early 1986 that I don’t think had a Charley Project profile until recently. The details are few, but further investigation found that this girl was married and 20 years old. The resemblance is certainly there, but we don’t have many details concerning her life or major surgeries.
    Jeanette Florence Allen Ratino – The Charley Project

    There’s clearly a legitimate resemblance. Details of marriage and abuse are laid out in the websleuth’s forum concerning her case.

    MD - MD - Jeanette Allen Ratino, 20, Calvert County, April 1986
     
  10. Nell91

    Nell91 Well-Known Member

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    They do look alike, the distance is almost 2000 miles but stranger things have happened!
     
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  11. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Have a nice day!

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    Interesting. I read the threat of Jeanette, wonderful work done by my fellow sleuthters, I must say. Very curious were the thought of her being murdered came from and what LE found out about it.
     
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    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    I see resemblance between Jeanette and JD!
    She should be submitted!
     
  13. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    If she and her husband skipped town to avoid prosecution, a very common thing to do back in the 80s, they could have gone anywhere.

    I agree, there's a very strong facial resemblance. There doesn't seem to be enough information on Jeanette to know whether she fits the demographics.
     
  14. Curious_in_NC

    Curious_in_NC Well-Known Member

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    She's not in the NamUs rule-outs.
     
  15. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified local - Rebecca Stahl case

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    NamUs just updated her profile yesterday. Here is the current list of rule outs for the case.
    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
    MP8604 Shelley Sikes 05/24/1986 Galveston TX
    MP3063 Joyce Walcott 05/29/1986 Los Angeles CA
    MP37676 Nichole Fielding 07/11/1986 Wagoner OK
    MP6998 Rozlin Abell 07/25/1985 Oklahoma OK
    MP22513 Deborah Post 04/13/1986 Worcester MA
    MP6910 Judy Worrell 10/05/1981 Sacramento CA
    MP8239 Amanda Fravel 06/13/1986 Clark NV
    MP8284 Annette Vail 10/22/1984 Tulsa OK
    MP23648 Susan Riedling 03/31/1986 Bullitt KY
    MP1868 Shannon Potter 03/03/1984 Baltimore MD
    MP9861
    MP11224 Debra Cressotti 04/30/1985 Hampden MA
    MP1376 Tammy Leppert 07/06/1983 Brevard FL
    MP1370 Faye Self 03/31/1983 Red River LA
    MP10738 Mary Shinn 07/20/1978 Columbia AR 3
    MP974 Patricia Schmidt 06/04/1985 Henrico VA
    MP1100 Hazel Klug 05/20/1986 Henrico VA
    MP8385 Nadine Timm 11/16/1965 Will IL
    MP6022 Carol Donn 01/02/1981 Palm Beach FL
    MP3063 Joyce Walcott 05/29/1986 Los Angeles CA
    MP2075 Sally Stone 05/16/1986 Kootenai ID
    MP1689 April Zane 04/18/1977 Will IL
    Lisa Sexton OH
     
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  16. Oakie

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    Has a genetic genealogy trace been attempted on this decedent?
     
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    Gwendoline Mae Clemmons is not on the list yet.
     
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  18. PropaneYeeter

    PropaneYeeter If only sorrow could build a staircase.

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    Yes, per this article published in July 2019:

    "But something else that didn't exist then is available now, Sharp said: genealogy. "Hopefully, genealogy is going to be tremendous in that case. It might trace her back to some relative from 1780 or something like that. They say they do have that capability," he said, though it's expensive.

    The producers of a crime program have offered to pay the bill, Sharp said. "They have a pretty high success rate. They have experts on staff, experts in genealogy and in DNA," he said.

    The woman's DNA profile has been submitted to open source databases and Sharp said they are very hopeful that they will finally have a name for the victim."

    No updates since then.
     
  19. Alleykins

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    I wonder who's conducting the research.
     
  20. Mrs. Badcrumble

    Mrs. Badcrumble The North remembers

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    MP17651
    Ashley Higgins
    Nov. 6th, 1982
    Orange
    CA

    has been added to the ruleouts.
     

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