Identified! LA - Tallulah, WhtFem Skeletal 163UFLA, 19-23, Dec'94 - Name not found

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  1. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/163ufla.html


    Unidentified White Female

    Located December 27, 1994 in Tallulah, Madison Parish, Louisiana.
    Cause of Death: The victim may have been bludgeoned.
    Estimated Date of Death: Two-Six months prior
    State of Remains: Skeletal


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    Vital Statistics


    Estimated age: 19 - 23 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"-5'6"; 130 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: May have been of mixed ancestry. Long brownish/auburn hair; unknown eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She had fractures in her foot and lumbar region, which occurred during life.
    Clothing: Dallas Cowboys shirt with "Team NFL" logo on shirt pocket, size not stated; black or blue bra, size 38; pair of black or blue thick-weaved socks.
    Jewelry: Three silver stud earrings.
    Dentals: She had dental fillings. Amalgam fillings noted on occlusal surfaces of teeth #2,14,18,19,30 and 31. Amalgam fillings noted on the buccal surfaces of teeth #18,30 and 31.
    DNA: Available in FBI NMPDD

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    Case History
    An Arkansas couple convicted of kidnapping and raping a Northeast Louisiana University student, are suspects in her death. Joseph McKinney, of North Little Rock, Arkansas is serving a life sentence plus 50 years, and his companion, Sylvia Grover, is serving a 45-year sentence for the September 17, 1994 abduction of an 18-year-old woman from the Super Kmart Center in West Monroe. The girl was taken to Caldwell Parish, where she was raped and her throat was slashed several times. She survived.
    Several months before the West Monroe kidnapping, workers picking up trash near the intersection of Interstate 20 and Louisiana 602, about two miles east of Tallulah, found this Jane Doe’s bones near a culvert.
    After McKinney and Grover were arrested in the West Monroe kidnapping, Madison Parish officials questioned them about the dead woman. After the questioning, there is no question they are somehow linked to the dead woman.


    What do you all think of this girl as a possible match?

    Jeanie Naomi Lofton
    http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M3/25/200211:59:36AM' - Charley Project Link -http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lofton_jeanie.html Age - height, and time of disapperaance add up compared to the UID.... The noses don't look alike but when the UID was found it was completely skeletonized...
     
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  3. Lady Stardust

    Lady Stardust New Member

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    I agree with you that it could be a match regarding age, height, weight and time of disappearance. :)

    But it would be helpful to know Jeanie Naomi Lofton's dental chart as the UID had very distinctive teeth.
     
  4. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    I agree about the dentals.....to bad her her mouth is closed in her picture...

    I am going to email Rocky Wells at the Doe Network to see if they were compared yet.
     
  5. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    I just sent an email to Rocky Wells at Doe Network...I will let you all know when I hear something back.
     
  6. Mazama

    Mazama New Member

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    I hope it's her. There are far too many families missing their loved ones.

    Maz
     
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    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    I received an email back from Rocky:

    Hello Janell,

    I checked and Law Enforcement has already looked at this possibility.

    Thanks,
    Rock


    I am taking from this email that it is not her....I emailed him back to see if they had Jeanie Lofton's dentals and he wasn't sure. The UID had distinctive teeth, and Jeanie's mouth was closed in her picture that we have of her..... I guess back to square one
     
  8. someoneschild

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    I did a search to see if anyone had posted anything about Brenda Kay Green...I didn't find a thread so I thought I would start one. Wanted to see what you all think about this possible match.

    Brenda Kay Green
    NamUS:
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2351

    Charley Project:
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/green_brenda.html

    Unidentified-Jane Doe
    NamUS UP#889
    https://identifyus.org/cases/889

    Brenda has been missing since July 2, 1988-Brookville Alabama.

    The Jane Doe was found in Tallulah, LA on December 26, 1994. She was 19-23 (PMI-2 months). She is a little taller than Brenda-but Brenda could have grown in the 6 years she was missing. Jane Doe was found off of I 20 which is literally a straight shot from where Brenda lived. See map below.
    http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Bro...s=LA&2y=US&2l=32.408329&2g=-91.186668&2v=CITY

    I realize that Jane Doe's face looks longer but I still see a resemblance. Please let me know what you think.
     

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  9. Mensch

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    I think the enhanced photo does resemble the UID. I see what you mean about the shape of the face. The UID does have a different facial shape; longer and a more pronounced chin and jawline. If it is possible you might try find out if Brenda Green had any spinal problems or an injury to the left toe that is indicated in the UID file.
    Maybe there is more info on the missing on the internet?
     
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    I submitted this possible match to Todd Matthews last night and received the following response:

    Nice to "meet" you Dana,

    The system has not yet suggested this potential match to us. So I feel it
    is worthy of checking out.
    I'm in the process of gathering dental records for the missing and this
    might help speed up the process.
    I'm copying the note below to the MP case manager in Alabama and my
    Louisiana counterpart.
    I will let you know when we are able to release any exclusions for these
    cases.
    Thanks for using the system and be sure to let us know if you find any
    updated information.
    -Todd

    I will let you know when I hear from him.
     
  12. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I just ran across Anjanette Piotrowski on my screen for the Tallulah Jane Doe. As I recall, I might have looked at this before, passed on it because of circumstances. But as I look at it again, everything else seems pretty close.

    MP Links:
    Charley Project: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/piotrowski_anjanette.html
    DoeNet: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1504dfny.html

    UID Links:
    DoeNet Case 163UFLA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/163ufla.html
    NamUs UP Case 889 https://identifyus.org/cases/889

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    Her height (5'5"), age (21), and Ethnicity (mixed ancestry) are all spot-on. The timeframe is spot-on.

    Her facial structure is pretty close. They have very similar chins and cheekbones.

    And they have very similar dental anomalies. Both she and the UID have similar gaps to the right (viewer's left) of their right-upper-front (#8) teeth. Also, while it is not clear, it appears that they both have slightly crooked upper-left (viewer's right) lateral incisors (#10).

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    The big problem is that the circumstances don't fit at all with LE's theories of what happened to both Anjanette, and to Jane Doe. They have probable perps for both the MP case and the UID case, and they obviously aren't the same people. The circumstances in Anjanette's case would appear to suggest that she was murdered in the Buffalo NY area around the time of her disappearance.

    She is not listed on the NamUs rule-out list ... FWIW :) Given that this is a fairly high profile, I would think that someone would have already submitted this.
     
  13. Cymro

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    You know, I'm not so sure that the circumstances are all that inconsistent.

    Anjanette had had an argument with her roommate, a much older man. They had an argument and he claimed to have walked home, but then stopped at the mechanic's shop. Was her car even drivable?

    If he threw her out, preventing her from getting access to her keys, money and car, she might have figured that she had no place else to go and decided to get out of town. She did have an (adoptive?) sister in Mississippi. Tallulah LA is right near the Mississippi border. Could she have hitchhiked there and been taken near the end of her journey?

    It appears that the killers were a male/female couiple. It would not be inconsistent for them to gain the trust of a female hitchhiker in Mississippi and, with the aid of a vehicle, transport her to Louisiana.

    Her roommate/partner, Ronald Erhardt, may be a strong suspect. If, however, she genuinely did vanish (possibly
    as a result of oppressive or violent behavior on his part) and then meet with an even worse fate down the line, he would look extremely suspicious and while he would have some moral responsibility for her fate, he'd be legally innocent.

    The case against the presumed killers appears to be stronger following the questioning, which begs the question why they haven't been convicted (although as neither will ever be released, and this may not be a death penalty case, the question may be moot).
     
  14. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I just received a reply from Helen Bouzon from LSU Faces Lab:

     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I sent a follow-up e-mail to check the progress of Anjanette to this case. She replied as follows:

    It sounds like she is saying that they can't rule-out Anjanette on dental charts, or in other words, they are not inconsistent. So they are taking the more expensive step of hiring a FO to look at the x-rays.

    That sounds encouraging. Tallulah Jane Doe has extensive dental work (i.e., fillings in six teeth, and her upper wisdom teeth removed, but the lowers remain. One lower-right bicuspid was missing postmortem). This is a fairly complicated dental description, and it would seem to me that if it wasn't her, a rule-out would be relatively easy.
     
  17. chaddylex

    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    Carl,

    What do you think about this girl? The teeth are what kind of made me think of her... http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/burchell_michelle.html

    I can't do a side to side here at work, to compare their teeth.

    She went missing from KY in June 1994, age range fits, height fits, Namus said the UID's weight couldn't be estimated.

    Michelle's hair is listed as being strawberry blonde, the UID is said to have brownish/auburn hair.... that's a difference..
     
  18. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Looks fairly close, but IMO, Michelle Burchell's #10 (upper-left-lateral-incisor) is much more out of alignment, and there is much more of a gap between her #10 and #11 (upper-left-canine). Tallulah JD's #10 is slightly rotated, but not quite as displaced as Michelle's

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    I'll say this much, at least Helen Bouzon responds to citizens' inquiries. Kudos to her!
     
  21. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I received a reply from Helen Bouzon regarding Anjanette Piotrowski:

    That caviated wording seemed to leave a little wiggle room. I'm wondering if she doubts the reliability of AP's dental charts. I've seen numerous instances of errors in dental charts.

    Considering how extensive the dental work was for the Jane Doe, inconsistencies on only two teeth seems pretty close.
     

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