GUILTY LE use voice recognition, social media, to find militant in beheading video *Arrests*

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  2. Little Jedi

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    James Foley: SAS troops could catch journalist's killer 'within two days'

    Elite members of the SAS are now preparing to snatch him out of Syria in a top-secret mission.

    Over the last two days a “significant force” of SAS soldiers have been deployed in northern Iraq, joining forces with the Kurdish Peshmerga and Iraqi forces fighting IS fanatics

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/james-foley-british-spies-hours-4098195
     
  3. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    I'm wondering if he was already on 'someone's radar' ?

    More about his Dad - (from FBI site)

    Three Alleged International Terrorists Extradited from Great Britain

    Adel Abdel Bary, 52, a citizen of Egypt, and Khaled al Fawwaz, 50, a citizen of Saudi Arabia, are charged with conspiring with members of al Qaeda to kill United States nationals and to attack U.S. interests abroad. Bary is also charged with murder, conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction, and other offenses in connection with the 1998 bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which caused the deaths of 224 individuals and injured thousands more. Abu Hamza, Fawwaz, and Bary were extradited from the U.K.....

    The indictment charges Bary with 284 offenses !

    more details at link

    http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-re...s-extradited-from-great-britain#disablemobile
     
  4. dotr

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/world/middleeast/britain-james-foley-isis.html?_r=0


    "From an analysis of the video images, investigators could estimate the man’s height, study details of his eyes and eyebrows, and note his evident left-handedness. His voice has likely been matched against recordings of many of the estimated 500 militant Britons who have joined ISIS, about half of whom are believed to have returned home.

    British counterterrorism agencies conduct extensive eavesdropping in the United Kingdom on people suspected of being extremists and have archived recordings of many of them. In addition, some foreigners who have joined ISIS have left long web trails that include audio of their voices on YouTube and other sites."
    bbm


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    "The younger Mr. Bary had considerable success rapping under the name &#8220;L Jinny&#8221; or &#8220;Lyricist Jinn,&#8221; with singles played on BBC Radio and much-watched videos on YouTube."
     
  5. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    If this wasn't being reported by both 'The Times' & 'The Telegraph' I wouldn't believe the headline or bothered reading the full article :confused:

    Foley murder video 'may have been staged'

    Analysts believe the British jihadi in the video may not have been James Foley's killer, although it is accepted that the journalist was murdered

    The video of James Foley’s execution may have been staged, with the actual murder taking place off-camera, it has emerged. Forensic analysis of the footage of the journalist’s death has suggested that the British jihadist in the film may have been the frontman rather than the killer.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journali.../Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html
     
  6. dotr

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadi_John



    "Alternative theories

    On August 23, 2014, two unnamed video specialists in the International Business Times of Australia, an online-only news publication, claimed that portions of the video appeared to be staged and edited.[7] Dr. James Alvarez, a British-American hostage negotiator, also claimed the video was "expertly staged".
     
  7. Little Jedi

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    This article is actually really interesting.
    It's explained with plenty of pic's so easy to understand ! :biggrin:

    Is this where James Foley was beheaded?

    A British expert on images of Syria believes he may have identified the precise location where the kidnapped American journalist, James Foley, was beheaded by an Isil fighter.

    Eliot Higgins, a Leicester-based video and photo analyst who has previously investigated the use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War, has methodically analysed the five-minute video of the beheading of the 40-year-old reporter in an attempt to pinpoint where the murder occurred.

    He has concluded that Mr Foley was most likely killed in a spot in the hills south of the Syrian city Raqqa, whose precise co-ordinates he has calculated.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...4/Is-this-where-James-Foley-was-beheaded.html
     
  10. dotr

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    Wondering about that also, because in the above l Jinny, rap video , the left hand seems to do most of the movement.
    In the horrific video/ still showing hostage Mr Foley, the large knife is held in the left hand, yet it would be more natural, i would think, if the perp was standing to the right of the victim, as opposed to the left, to complete the hideous deed, imo fwiw..
    In the video of 5 poi at the airport, the person on the far right holds his water bottle in the left hand.....?????? but he is identified as someone else.
    Maybe he is ambidextrous, the long imo, arms seem all akimbo, like someone who would be clumsy at sports, but good at dancing or playing drums, if that makes any sense..
    imo.

    Some people only use the left hand for " dirty" business and keep the right hand "clean" for eating - maybe he uses the left hand only for killing ie holding the knife and the awkward holding of the gun in left hand??

    speculation, imo, ect.
     
  11. dotr

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    Correction to my above post,# 30 " In the above L Jinny, rap video , I wrote the left hand seems to do most of the movement"- I meant to type RIGHT hand, does the movement. Maybe stronger left hand is operating video and sound controls.

    imo

    Also noting a scar on left side of face at start of beard, unless it is beard glue?

    Little Jedi, do not know much about guns at all, but in this video, demonstrator says he uses his weaker left hand to hold gun, which is hand poi is holding his with, but thinking the gun poi is holding is upside down?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksyAVp_8kP0
     
  12. dotr

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    bbm
    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ey-on-camera-despite-what-video-shows-report/


    "ISIS may not have beheaded James Foley on camera, despite what video shows: report"

    "Video showing a suspected British jihadist beheading an American journalist in Syria may have been staged, according to forensic analysis.

    An international forensic science group &#8212; which often works for British police services &#8212; suggested the footage likely does not show James Foley&#8217;s actual killing at the hands of a masked man from the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham.

    The Times of London commissioned the company to analyze the video. After making enhancements, it found no evidence of blood even when the masked man draws the knife across Mr. Foley&#8217;s neck six times. There was also no incision visible on his neck, analysts said.

    The sounds Foley apparently makes aren&#8217;t consistent with &#8220;what may be expected,&#8221; the report says."
     
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    " The Polished Look in Video

    "The video is apparently too polished to have come from a Middle Eastern militant organisation. There are several other terror videos which are circulated online. However, those videos are generally amateur-looking with poor audio and video quality. The James Foley execution video was shot on HD camera. Multiple angles of the video indicate that the video could have been shot with more than one camera. The audio is extremely clean as professional audio equipment is used to record the voice. The video has a refined look which seems to be the result of professional editing. All these elements are pretty unlikely for any terrorist video in the past"

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5637...-james-foley-beheading-video.htm#.U_tRFmNabk8
     
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-that-could-unmask-James-Foleys-murderer.html


    " Using 40-year-old Mr Foley&#8217;s known height as a guide, the experts will be able to work out his killer&#8217;s height, with his slim body shape and the colour of his skin further narrowing their search. Even his beige desert boots may enhance their knowledge of where he has been.

    Weapons experts will be asked to identify the distinctive commando knife used by the killer and the gun he holds in a leather holster over his left shoulder to try to work out where they may have been purchased.

    When the FBI investigated the beheading of the US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002, it examined the pattern of veins on the back of his killer&#8217;s hand in an attempt to match the hand to known suspects. The colour of the killer&#8217;s skin suggests that he is either black or of Asian origin. A separate team of analysts will use the topography of the landscape in the video in an attempt to identify the location"



    >>snip>>

    "One of the most obvious clues is that the killer holds the commando knife he uses to behead Mr Foley in his left hand, a trait shared by only 10 per cent of people."
     
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    As a Muslim, I find that there are too many things wrong with this whole ISIS thing.

    First, with all the intelligence our Gov't has at it's fingertips, and it USES, to know what everyone is doing around the world, how did this group of over 20,000 militants JUST happen to pop up without ANY warning??

    Second, they are not following Islam. I'm not sure what they THINK they're following, but I assure you it is not Islam. It would be funny if it weren't so sad, really. It's like someone decided to create a group to act on EVERY WORST STEREOTYPE OF MUSLIMS and lo and behold....we have ISIS.

    Third, I've seen pictures of these crazies holding decapitated heads (which, the article stated, were most likely killed in battle and then decapitated to cause "fear" in any potential enemy by thinking that's what ISIS does), so if they're so proud of their handiwork, WHY is Foley's killer masked??? Would he not be proud to do such a deed in their skewed version of Islam/reality??

    Last, where in the WORLD did this group in the Middle East happen open clean, bright orange USA Prison style jumpsuits??

    Seriously??? It is TOO CONVENIENT! The war mongers want nothing more than to get back into Iraq. To create more chaos and mayhem to further their global militarization. If you don't believe me, Google "PNAC Mission Statement" and let's discuss. We need to triple check everything the Gov't and media is trying to sell us, because behind the curtain is the REAL wizard of Oz.
     
  16. dotr

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    Most reasonably intelligent people do not accept or believe everything they hear, see and read without question., imo.
    The analysis by varied sources from around the world , indicates that the video is not necessarily accepted at face value,imo.
     
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    I watched the video. I have seen other beheading videos. In my opinion also it was staged.
     
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    James Foley letter written in captivity released by family

    August 26, 2014

    James Foley was held in a cell with 18 other captives, who supported one another and invented distractions like trivia, checkers and Risk to keep up their spirits, according to a letter released by his family on Sunday.

    The letter was posted on the Facebook page Free James Foley shortly after a Sunday Mass in his honour at a church in his hometown of Rochester, New Hampshire. A video of US journalist Foley being beheaded in the desert surfaced last week; his family has since said they were trying to negotiate with his captors, who had demanded a ransom of €100 million ($150 million).

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/james-f...-by-family-20140826-108ctt.html#ixzz3BV8CkRfM
     
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    Interesting article, the perps went to great lengths to extort money from the Foley family. imo.

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5639...-beheading-video-executioner.htm#.U_yINWNabk8


    "Curiously, the whole footage appeared to be edited using "slick post-production techniques," according to an international forensic science company, which requested not to be named.

    "I think it has been staged. My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped," the company's analysis of the video published by The Times reads.

    Video experts, who had also spoken with The Times, observed that some portions of the video have play-acting.

    In the instance that Foley's beheading video was elaborately edited using advance equipments, it will be logical to ask next as to how and where the ISIS gets its funding.

    The group owns cash amounting to $2 billion amassed from private donations, taxes, ransoms and stolen millions of money from big infrastructures that the group had been seizing, The Guardian reports".
     
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    http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/news/2014/08/26/james-foley-killer-five-clues.html


    "There's definitely a change of actor," Patel said. "There are noticeable, there are subtle but there are also noticeable changes in their build, their physical appearance."

    The video contains other data like the measurements of a face, even though it is hidden. That could help investigators sift through databases of passport photos.

    3. Knives

    The man who speaks holds a knife in one of his hands. It looks to be a different knife than the one that was left next to Foley's body.

    The dimensions and style of the knives are slightly different, Patel said.

    4. Holster

    When trying to determine whether the British-accented man is also the killer, it helps to examine where his pistol is holstered. It is underneath his left armpit -- that is for use by his right hand. But the executioner appears on the video to be left-handed. It's unclear why this happened."
     

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