Link to Rose's Letters/Disscussion of Letters

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  1. christine2448

    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    Rose wrote letters to her family, the last communications with her can be viewed here.

    Yanette (Rose's SIL) posted this up in one place for viewing. (I started to post them here, the actual letters, but it takes up a lot of space)


    ETA 9/19/09.. links to letters http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/Rose%20Cole/
     
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  3. christine2448

    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    Taken from Thread #1, posted by HOT

    The SIL said she only had the envelope from one of the letters mailed from Synanon. From what I'm gathering, Rose's father was the one who had all of this information. When he died, the rest of the family finally had a chance to look through it. But, to answer your question, there were no envelopes with the letters after she left Synanon.
     
  4. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    Here is a transcript of last letter in possession of Rose's family this was originally transcribed by her sister-in-law and posted by Heart of Texas, this letter is not included in the above links. I don't think a picture was ever posted of it.

    Okay, here's the letter. It's very long and very sad and I doubt it's going to fit in one post. Here goes...

     
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    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    Post # 52, thread one, Heart of TX

    Here is Rose's last letter. I tried to preserve her writing style, meaning every comma, and hard space. But gave up after a while.

    Letter details:
    It was written on her birthday Dec 23, 1972 but mailed Feb 3, 1973 because she didn't have a stamp
    A year has passed since she left to California
    She describes her life in living in the streets
    She can sleep ~ nightmares
    Her letters have not been answered, this one is address to her Mom, the other ones where to her siblings
    She talks about a baby. Billy had a baby at 19 with his girlfriend at the time~ not married ~ a lot of stress around that at home (Billy the oldest child, step brother ~ everyone including my husband loves BIlly best ~ he stood up to his stepfather Jesse Joseph and protected the other kids from bullies at school ~
    Norma and Opal are the youngest ones, when the judge sentenced her, he said that he couldn't sent her home because there were two small kids (Pose & Norma) that she would put at risk
    She asks for Norma's forgiveness (maybe from the letter to Pose)
    She doesn't like her looks, she feels she looks like her real Mom, Willie
    she talks about poor and rich people, it may be a stretch but maybe people with money ~ able to pay for prostitution?????
    She want to be love, and feels guilt which is normal under the circumstances but she talks very nicely about her Dad. I find that strange! Given the fact he is the only one with access to the letters, maybe he had a heart after all.
    This is a stretch but he might have contacted her after this or any other available letters that we don't know about to appear in court in Michigan.

    I am a very slow typer ~ I really suck at it ~ Next letter coming up!
     
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    Was it on the post card that she said she was living in China Town with some people who thought that she was 19? Is that also when she talked of being sick with maybe a kidney infection?
     
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    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    Why don't we have a copy of the postcard??

    I have a telephone 'meeting' scheduled with Yannette tonight...just tried to call, no answer...I may be early..hopefully she will call me back :)
     
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    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    Shadow and I are in a Yahoo conference with Brenda, sister of Rose, and Yannette, SIL to Rose.....we have finally gotten our hands on Rose's last communication.
     
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    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    Shadow and I spent some time in chat and via tele w/family tonight.

    We have notes...but it's late and will try to organize and post tomorrow.

    There is another card from Rose, no date.
     
  10. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    Is there a better pic of the post card? It's really small and even magnetized you can't read the chopped off ends. I can't make the post mark out at all. Hopefully you have it somewhere else to view
     
  11. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    I've searched everywhere for this info you where going to post, I can't find it. Could you tell me what thread it is in? Thanks
     
  12. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    Oh...FYI, Yahoo Photos, (where Yanette has the photos and letters of Rose) is shutting down and will discontinue to exist on Sept 20. She / You might want to move them to a permanent new location
     
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    christine2448 Retired WS Staff

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    Hiya! I emailed Yannette to let her know when the notice went out, thanks a heap, just in case we missed it...I'll send her a reminder.

    I need to look for those notes, I may have never done it. (like the timeline)

    Sometimes you just have to smack me in the head!
     
  14. iNTERESTEDWOMAN

    iNTERESTEDWOMAN I'll trade you a bushel of corn for a barrel of oi

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    After reading Rose's Letters again on the Hot on the Trail Blog, (Which are much easier to read) I have come to the conclusion that Rose was smoking pot at the time she wrote the 3rd Letter dated December 15, 1972. This was the letter written to Opal on yellow legal paper, to inform her she had split the Synanon. It has several burn holes in the first 2 papers, (4 pages). Knowing a few (okay a lot) of stoners in my old days, the burn holes are consistent with hand rolled joints. They are rolled much looser than a regular cigarette and tend to drip burning embers often. I know her Dad smoked cigarettes because in the picture of him you can see the outline of a pack in his shirt pocket, so I had originally thought maybe the pages got burned when he was reading it. (I couldnt really see them well) But on the top of page 3, Rose doodles around one of the holes so they where obviously there when she mailed them.

    I know the jury is still out on wether Rose really did drugs, or just claimed to have out of a smartalic remark to the Judge.

    Anyway, this letter makes me believe she did have at least a partial problem with drugs, and the rambling in the letter are very consistent with a teen girl smoking pot. It also leads me to believe she did hook up (at least temporarily) with another cult, (such as PT, Hare Krishna-sub culture, Heavens Gate etc.) where she was being sheltered, and where they openly shared and smoked pot. She obviously had no money (to buy it) because all her belonging where taken. Some one gave it to her, (or she "worked" for it).
     
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    I need to get this all reloaded since Yannette's yahoo page went down. I do have copies of all the letters and postcard. Will try to get things updated this weekend.
     
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    Christine: Has you or anyone heard from Yanette? I notice she has not updated Roses myspace page in a year. Are they still looking for her? Do you think perhaps she found Rose, and that is why she has not posted? Please come back Yanette, we'd love to hear from you!

     
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    Just a theory: could Rose have joined a Catholic religious community? Her handwriting shows that she was intelligent and serious-minded; most likely capable of performing well academically. Despite grammar mistakes and bad usage, she nonetheless expresses herself well.


    Her writing is very reminiscent of the poetry of Sylvia Plath. Perhaps she had read some of Plath's work.


    The letter itself is well-developed logically, and the short poem about the stars summarizes perfectly the preceding description of her happy dreams of returning home: "[The stars] must like the night black. Must bring good memories back."
    Surely if she sought help from a religious order, they would have tried their best to help the talented young woman.

    Despite the pleading in the letter, my impression is that she is resigned to never returning home. Hard to believe that her memories of her home life were really that happy. Seems like she is trying to make her family feel guilty for rejecting her; the letter is too stylized and well-written to ring 100% true.

    Could the letter have been written only to please some counselor at the facility? No reference is made to uncomfortable or hostile conditions. The family is painted as the Brady Bunch. Was she telling the counselors what they wanted to hear?

    Or maybe she had a close attachment to one of her male step-siblings, and that's the real reason that she wanted to go home. Since they were not related by blood, this situation would not be incestuous, but may have upset the household. But, in this case, odd that her father didn't arrange to send the adopted step-son away (boarding school, military), instead of his own daughter. He could have appealed the judge's sentence, and insisted that she at least not be forced to leave the state.

    Since RC came from a prominent and apparently very well-to-do family, seems unlikely that she would have lowered herself to prostitution. Also, she describes herself as shy. In the photos, she appears to be a sensitive person.

    Could she possibly have been an heiress? Could have been some money reason why she was mistreated.

    If RC joined a convent, she might have changed her name, and possibly moved to another country; therefore, her brother may have been unable to find her. She may not have been aware of any efforts to find her.

    She makes frequent references to God in one of her writings, and quotes a poem about "My Rock," which is used as a metaphor for the Church in the New Testament.

    No information is given about her education. Did she have any religious education? Did she have any close attachments to any teachers back home? Did she have an attachment to a former nanny or contact with her biological mother?

    Maybe the family could try contacting convents active in San Francisco during the 70s.
     

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