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Bose

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"wrong with them" do you mean the killer having a conscience or the killer 'knowing' he was killing people who had something 'wrong' with them?

I have 2 POIs who were living together. POI #1 is now 44, Male prostitute/house boy to POI #2. POI #2 is now in early 60s, NYPD officer who trained other officers in the vicinity of Penn Station/Times Square. Both lived together at the time in Bayshore, LI.

POI #1 verbally mentioned to me several times that he felt something was wrong with him, his identity, and that he could not perform without going "further out" into the realms of acceptable, and needed progressingly more to excite him. He said to close friends and family that he was gay, though some people did not know. He said circa 2003 that he was only attracted to short and thin/petite women.

As for overbearing females in family, that by itself doesn't make a serial killer. As I understand psychology, a person more or less patterns their 'will to live' or libido after their same sex parent and 'death will' or thanatos after opposite sex parent. So a man who is beaten by his father will get his 'will' from beating men, but for a man to cross over to getting will or power from killing women, his father would have had to teach him that, and in that case the females in that family would not be so overbearing most likely.

I don't disagree; however, POI#1's father abandoned family when he was young. He hated him. His mother dressed very provocative, and acted so, and it made him uncomfortable and embarrassed him. POI#2 had a very abusive father. My feeling, which could be wrong, is that if either were/are responsible, POI#2 would be connected to older remains, with perhaps participation or knowledge of Gilgo 4 with POI#1.

At any rate, chopping up bodies suggests something else is going on.

I felt that was more my POI#2. Strangulation as method for POI#1.

Those all seem like possibilities. Regarding the phone call, it does seem likely that the language, words, tone etc would be recognizeable to somebody. It is unlikely they would trace the call without recording it, so it's a mystery why parts of the recording are not released.

I can only say, for any phone calls, that neither of my POIs have a typical NY accent. POI#1 had no Brooklyn accent, spent time in California. POI#2 was born in Ireland, but accent was so diluted only came out in stressing certain syllables, or s sounds.

Another peculiarity. No doubt Long Island sound and offshore on the ocean side are plugged with bodies. Likely the killer had easy access to a boat. So why didn't he dump the bodies offshore, as most people in that situation would do?

Possibly because then they are gone, and they can't visit/revisit them anymore? Maybe wanted them to be found for publicity/ego/feeling of grandeur?

Some of the various bodies were probably dumped by people either in a rush or careless, but some were obviously intended to be found.

Yes, I agree. I think the Gilgo 4 were more neatly placed, whereas earlier ones maybe with less care, but in the general area.

Craigslist is used by millions of people.
Computer and surveillance knowledge is widespread nowadays.
Phones and cars, likewise, widely traded, bought sold, etc.

Sure. But back in the time frame we are talking about, nobody I knew personally really used Craigslist regularly. POI#1 did. Sent me a link to something on Craigslist day after one of the Gilgo 4 disappeared. Never sent me other links from there. Also had an extra phone bought online somewhere off the beaten path, and made sure I let him know as soon as it was delivered to my neighbor's house...not his home address. Again, a day or two before one of the girls went missing. And POI#2 was at Fire Island, by ferry, all night when one of the girls disappeared.

Burlap bags are kind of a cheap way to store things, some grains and produce comes in burlap bags but what is the connection to poison ivy? Do you mean he might have gardened on the edge of woods that had poison ivy? Did some of the victim have poison ivy rashes? As I recall NY has poison ivy, poison sumac and poison oak.

Early on, I can't remember if it was Dormer that said it, but I believe it was a tv press conference where it was mentioned the perp may have been treated by a doctor or hospital for poison ivy. I think poison ivy was in the area of the bodies. POI#1 complained to me that he got poison ivy everywhere, including his genitals, when trolling for sex in the bushes somewhere. It was before the bodies were found. He never got it treated professionally.

Burlap, separate issue. POI#1 liked gardening, as did I, and we visited many local nurseries together, frequently. If a nursery had rolls of it, etc., he could have gotten it for gardening, but used it for something else, maybe, who knows.

That's probably not accurate. He is probably well known in his circle for being brutal with women. The problem is the circle he is in.

Question is, what is the definition of brutal? Is it solely physical? Does biting count, with no warning? Or telling a woman she should abort her baby because it will turn out ugly? Does the person have to break bones, or can there be other forms of particularly sadistic and sporadic behavior?
 

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Commissioner Hart actually definitively identified Baby Doe as the daughter of Peaches in the January 2020 press conference. Before that, the wording was vague (ie: "believed to be the mother of..." and "the female relative of the toddler" etc.). They still haven't definitively released Baby Doe's ancestral makeup. Nor the sex (in Namus). Nor have they updated the estimated year of death to reflect the actual time frame relative to Peaches' death in June 1997. Facts are important.

Another update: on April 11th, 2020, a deceased infant was discovered on the north shore not far from where Lattingtown/Gold Charm Doe was found in 2013. It was in a plastic bag on Ferry Beach in Bayville, discovered by a dog walker early in the morning.

Nassau County PD's release: Nassau County Police, NY

oh that is interesting about the baby. In Sept 2021 there was an unidentified woman found floating in the waters in Bayville. I have not found any other info on the woman after the initial article.
https://www.pdcn.org/CivicAlerts.aspx
 

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I just recently re-watched the Killing Fields. I have also seen some documentary's concerning the case. I find it curious how the bodies were placed. Some Serial Killers gather "trophy's" of their victims. I believe in this case, the area where the bodies where located is the area of his trophy case. He doesn't keep monetary items, he frequents the area, unnoticed. He is a local
The story states that the killer came from the road to bring the bodies to the site. I think this person came by boat. He is able to see this area from his home, maybe by using binoculars or walks the beach frequently. This person is well off and possibly frequents the area by helicopter. He is smart and meticulous. The only way he would drive to that area and park for some time, along that road with enough time to dig a hole and in possession of a dead body, is if he was a cop or another vehicle. This is just my opinion as an amateur sleuth.
 

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Jumping quick....good to see everyone here !!!! Long Island has two "factions" so to speak...LISK and MS13....
I hope the identity is discovered and shared.
I'm sorry do you mind elaborating? I'm not familiar with the two factions.
 

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I'm sorry do you mind elaborating? I'm not familiar with the two factions.
I think he's probably trying to say, LISK, a completely unknown perp, and 'MS 13', which is an umbrella term for all the gang/corrupt cop conspiracy theories. I wouldn't discount an actual MS 13 connection though. Those people have committed some seriously brutal murders on Long Island. Could be some gang member who also exhibits serial killer attributes. Did the exact same 'gang' of cretins murder the GB4, and by extension, all the other potential LISK victims? Dunno, doubtful. But look what cartels do to sex workers in other parts of the world.. A thousand and one other aspects of this case point to a solitary killer or pair of killers. I'm in the LISK camp. And multiple LISKs at that. New York Metro is the largest urban population center in the United States. There have been multiple serial killers at work in many different eras of its history. Consider the late 80s and early 90s alone on Long Island, Joel Rifkin and Robert Shulman. Two separate serial killers who murdered prostitutes, and had no idea of each other.
 

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I think he's probably trying to say, LISK, a completely unknown perp, and 'MS 13', which is an umbrella term for all the gang/corrupt cop conspiracy theories. I wouldn't discount an actual MS 13 connection though. Those people have committed some seriously brutal murders on Long Island. Could be some gang member who also exhibits serial killer attributes. Did the exact same 'gang' of cretins murder the GB4, and by extension, all the other potential LISK victims? Dunno, doubtful. But look what cartels do to sex workers in other parts of the world.. A thousand and one other aspects of this case point to a solitary killer or pair of killers. I'm in the LISK camp. And multiple LISKs at that. New York Metro is the largest urban population center in the United States. There have been multiple serial killers at work in many different eras of its history. Consider the late 80s and early 90s alone on Long Island, Joel Rifkin and Robert Shulman. Two separate serial killers who murdered prostitutes, and had no idea of each other.
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
 

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The Golden State Killer is famous for calling his victims
 

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He called the families victims. The only other serial killers that used a phone were the Weepy Sounder and the Zodiac. He likely is very intelligent and educated. He is likely by now 40+ years old. Very tall and physically very strong. Since he has been in hiatus either he is in prison. Deceased or relocated to somewhere else.
The Golden State Killer is famous for calling his victims.
 
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