Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

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  1. LoyalSleuth

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    Anyone know why the fathers name is
    under publication ban, but siblings Conrad and Melissa are not?



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  2. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    I don't know, but the dad got a "support person" with him whilst testifying too... maybe he's classed as vulnerable because of his mental illnesses or something? :thinking: I dunno, I don't have any legal knowledge, I don't know how these things work. Is the mom's name under a publication ban? Leclair was hoping she would testify too.
     
  3. LoyalSleuth

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    I would like to hear from his mother...

    So the grandmother he was with in Peterborough is his maternal grandmother? The one who tied brother Conrad to the highchair?


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  4. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    btw, I've been throwing in the odd Sue Montgomery tweet too when I can, because sometimes she reports stuff that the other guy misses (and vice versa). But if anyone can transcribe all the Sue Montgomery tweets, or any from any other reporters, go ahead :) I'm getting myself muddled :p
     
  5. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Everyone's back, break's over. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Witness still on the stand. Crown not done, my error, apologies. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Mentioned being estranged from Eric? When? Can't recollect. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Recent? Or in your 30s? In 30s or 40s. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    When saw your son when he was a free man? A long time ago. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    See him in Montreal? Yes. Remember apartment? No. 2nd fl? Don't remember. Near expressway? Don't remember. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Where live before that? In apt in Scarborough, Ridgemount. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 52s 53 seconds ago
    Did he travel anywhere? He told me Russia. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    With wife? Teaching English as second language? Yes. #Magnotta

    ME: wtf?!? Wife?!?!

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 40s 41 seconds ago
    Did he have condo in Montreal or tell you about that? No, don't know, don't recall. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 59s 59 seconds ago
    Russia, Italy, California were some of places #Magnotta told witness he travelled to. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 43s 43 seconds ago
    How doing in Montreal? He said he was ok. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 25s 25 seconds ago
    What about wife, Oksana (sp?)? He told me they split up. #Magnotta
     
  6. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 24s 24 seconds ago
    He wrote letters, I think, father says. #Magnotta was fine in Mtl. He told dad he had split up with wife, Xanna

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 34s 35 seconds ago
    He told me he was going to meet wife's relatives in Russia, where he said he worked for couple of years. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 19s 20 seconds ago
    Does Eric have son? No. 4 year old? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now 3 seconds ago
    Does he speak Russian? Don't know, a little bit. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 24s 25 seconds ago
    Ex spoke Russian, Russian roots in family. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now
    Pix of Eric in Russia? No. Never sent pix? No. How long he had job in Russia? Don't know. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 31s 31 seconds ago
    #Magnotta still not looking at his father. Head down



    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 22s 22 seconds ago
    Know for a fact he had job in Russia? That's what he said. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now 3 seconds ago
    Most of his contact was with his mother and grandmother, witness says about son. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 24s 25 seconds ago
    You on Facebook? A long time ago, Eric was helping me, teaching me. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now 3 seconds ago
    I stopped being interested, he stopped teaching me. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3s 3 seconds ago
    Who did you communicate with on FB? Brothers, stepdaughters, brother's kid, just with relatives and some people. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3s 3 seconds ago
    Eric was showing me how to set up FB. Stopped learning it, gave up laptop. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now
    How many times visit Eric in jail? 5 I think. First time? Don't remember. Maybe summer. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now
    With this gentleman here in court, here to help you? Yes. More confidence when he's around? Yes. #Magnotta
     
  7. No_Stone_Unturned

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    RAYEMONDE! You're doing a magnificent job. YAAAAAAY YOU!! :tyou:
     
  8. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26s 26 seconds ago
    In jail visiting Eric with wife? She wasn't allowed in. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 27s 27 seconds ago
    When did he change his name? 10 years I think. He wanted to get rid of last name. I didn't understand why he did that. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 9s 9 seconds ago
    Were you offended by that? Defence objects. Jury leaves. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 30s 30 seconds ago
    Witness leaves too. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 27s 27 seconds ago
    Debate over. Jury being summoned. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 55s 55 seconds ago
    Back to witness. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26s 26 seconds ago
    When met with Eric in jail, private conversation? Private. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 41s 42 seconds ago
    Parlour inside cell? Met him in room, no guards, closed room. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26s 27 seconds ago
    Just asked how he was doing. He said he had good days and bad days. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4s 5 seconds ago
    Knew he was charged with murder? Yes. Didn't ask him if he did it? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 22s 22 seconds ago
    He never said he did it? No. He never said he was innocent? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6s 6 seconds ago
    No just talked about how he was feeling, how he loved his family. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 31s 31 seconds ago
    I know he didn't do it, that's just my own feeling, I just know him as Eric Newman. #Magnotta


    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 17s 17 seconds ago
    We just talked about health and the family, witness says. I told him I loved him. I know that he didn't do it. it's my feeling #Magnotta


    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 51s 51 seconds ago
    Asks again about Eric changing names. Move on, the judge says. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 36s 36 seconds ago
    Asking about the voices. Alcohol had no bearing? No.#Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16s 16 seconds ago
    I coped with it through alcohol but it was the wrong way to deal with the situation, witness says. #Magnotta



    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · now 3 seconds ago
    Last time dad heard voices was a week ago. Alcohol didn't cover them up, witness says. I sought help. Drank excessively #Magnotta
     
  9. No_Stone_Unturned

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    Did I read that correctly? Did MAGNOTTA have a wife?
     
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 39s 39 seconds ago

    Debate over. Jury being summoned. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8m 8 minutes ago

    Witness leaves too. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 9m 9 minutes ago

    Were you offended by that? Defence objects. Jury leaves. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 9m 9 minutes ago

    When did he change his name? 10 years I think. He wanted to get rid of last name. I didn't understand why he did that. #Magnotta
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  11. Rayemonde

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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 36s 36 seconds ago
    Drinking excessively? Yes. Heard voices while drinking? No. After? Yes. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8s 8 seconds ago
    Heard voices urging you to kill yourself? Yes. Kill others? No, hurt others. Never acted on these? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 29s 29 seconds ago
    Asking about other kids. He doesn't keep much contact. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3s 3 seconds ago
    Last time spoke with other son, 10 years ago. Was he ill? Don't know, just know he was in trouble with money. #Magnotta


    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 33s 33 seconds ago
    Witness is estranged from other 2 kids, Conrad and Melissa. Last time he spoke to Conrad was 10 yrs ago. He was always in trouble re $

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 24s 24 seconds ago
    He never killed anyone? No. You never killed anyone? Oh no. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now 3 seconds ago
    After the medication my life changed. It took awhile to get the right medication. #Magnotta


    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 27s 27 seconds ago
    You never killed anyone, crown says. NO! witness says. It took awhile for the right medication to kick in. #magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 30s 31 seconds ago
    Crown done. Witness done, says God Bless You to court. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 19s 20 seconds ago
    Jury releases jury until Monday. #Magnotta
     
  12. Rayemonde

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    Yes, it seems that Magnotta had a wife - or at least his dad thinks he did :thinking: But no child.
     
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    I think LM made up stories to impress his father.. like him haiving a wife, travelling, having a job in Russia...
    Maybe his father didnt even know LM was a gay escort?
    About the letter from this Diana person... I agree that LM has probably sent it himself.
    He seems that he always wanted attention and action. Once his life got a bit boring, he fabricated some stories just to see what would happen, how others would react, etc.
    I dont know what to think about his father. How can he say he does not believe his son killed Jun Lin? Is he trying to say Eric Newman didnt do this, but LM did this? Two different personalities?
    :waitasec:
     
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    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...her-says-magnotta-grew-up-isolated/ar-BBce90B

     
  15. Rayemonde

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    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...se_in_luka_magnotta_trial_starting_today.html
     
  16. Rayemonde

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    No, I thought it sounded more like he's in denial - doesn't want to think that his son did such a terrible thing. He intentionally avoided asking him if he did it - presumably because he was afraid of the answer.
     
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    Wow. Interesting. A WIFE?! Wasn't expecting THAT one.
    I feel sad for his father. And while I don't feel much sympathy for the man Magnotta has become, I do feel sad for young Eric. What a mess of a life...
    But as it was pointed out, Magnotta's father did not act on voices. He didn't kill anybody. He got help. He has been working very hard over the years to keep himself stable. It is a shame that Magnotta couldn't/wouldn't do that for himself...
    (and this is kind of why NCR doesn't work for me. He IS responsible because he was NOT consistent with psychiatric care, if his undoubted mental issues have anything to do with the crime he committed. IMO)


    Thanks for all the tweets! I have been out all day, and have to go back out soon (yay, Halloween...). Made things easier for me. Much appreciated! :)
     
  18. Rayemonde

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    I did a bit of googling, and LM was claiming a few years ago to have a wife named Oksana.

    Yeah, I see where you're coming from but apparently a lot of people with schizophrenia have no insight into their condition. How do you know that you're acting strangely, that the voices aren't real? You use your brain to figure it out or to understand what the doctors are telling you. But in schizophrenia, the brain is not functioning correctly so it can be literally impossible for some people to realise that they are ill, or they may realise that some symptoms are due to an illness but not others. It's called Anosognosia.

    http://www.everydayhealth.com/schizophrenia/recognizing-the-illness.aspx

    I don't know if this applies to LM, of course. We do know that he saw a psychiatrist around a month before the murder, it will be very interesting to find out what he told them.

    We also know that back in 2005 he was on several different medications, including two different antipsychotics (it is normally NOT recommended to give someone two antipsychotics at the same time), and one medication to relieve the side-effects of the antipsychotics. The doctors may have been having trouble relieving his symptoms - some people with schizophrenia do not respond to treatment at all, and others (like LM's dad) still have symptoms such as hearing voices but not as often, or the voices seem less intense and they are better able to ignore them. Plus, even when on meds that work for them, many people with schizophrenia still have relapses and have to go into a psychiatric hospital; these hospitalisations are just less frequent when they are on an effective medication regime.

    http://www.mind.org.uk/information-...ribed-and-taking-antipsychotics/#.VFP28PmsWro
     
  19. Rayemonde

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    According to Allan Woods' courtroom tweets, one of the medications that LM's dad takes is clozapine. Clozapine is usually only prescribed for treatment-resistant schizophrenia, because it can have life-threatening side-effects.
    https://twitter.com/WoodsAllan


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clozapine BBM

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a691001.html

    So LM's dad takes this, and he still hears voices telling him to kill himself and hurt people. And if you thought you weren't ill, there's no way you'd want to take this medication.
     
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    Indeed, it is a difficult illness to deal with. And it is also difficult to say whether or not he was aware any voices were not "normal". Many different doctors could have many different opinions.
     
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