Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

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  1. No_Stone_Unturned

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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14s 14 seconds ago

    Ask him, where are you? He answered, Berlin. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 31s 31 seconds ago

    He knew you were a psychiatrist? Yes. Knew he was arrested for murder? Yes.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 50s 50 seconds ago

    #Magnotta knew where he was, who he was? He knew he was in prison.
     


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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now

    First question asked if heard voices, to which he said yes? Cant say if very first question. #Magnotta
     
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 27s 27 seconds ago

    Got into topic very early, try to avoid and see how develops.#Magnotta
     
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14s 14 seconds ago

    You were expecting him? Yes. Knew time of day? Usually deal with new admissions in first half of day. #Magnotta
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 53s 53 seconds ago

    When first saw him, in cell? He was in ward, on second floor of psych dept. #Magnotta
     
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    PEOPLE - I have to leave now. Can anyone else continue?
     
  6. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Ok, after much legal wrangling with jury absent, we are back in #magnotta with Thomas Barth, psych who saw him in Berlin

    Barth says hard to diagnose what #Magnotta was doing when masturbating with severed arm. "very disturbing outcome of an offence"

    I can't explain this, Barth says. If someone commits such cruelty, I would look at schizophrenia. Sometimes they commit cruel offences

    We have a few patients a year that commit cruel offences, some are not psychotic, but i would look at schizophrenia. #Magnotta

    Crown now cross examining Barth. Why can't you diagnose what defence described? Need much more info, Barth says #Magnotta

    Can't conclude diagnosis just based on the crime, Barth says #Magnotta

    I am not forensic expert in this case, Barth said. I wasn't to assess #Magnotta

    My role is confined to the week I treated #Magnotta in Berlin June 11-18, 2012, Barth says

    Barth spoke to #Magnotta daily because he was aware of important situation, he said. Media coverage might be burden for sane person

    We suspected #magnotta as insane or at least schizophrenic and Cdn so we were approaching him differently than other patients, Barth

    #Magnotta didn't interact with other patients, kept to himself and asked not to be approached by other inmates. He said he was scared

    Barth didn't have #Magnotta's psychiatric files from Canada. I expected to treat him much longer and was surprised extradition was so fast

    Once #Magnotta was extradited, Barth closed the file. I would have appreciated those records but they never arrived

    Barth says he would not have been surprised if #Magnotta had substance abuse. Crown says that's what 2011 Mount Sinai record says

    Common for patients not to be forthcoming with information, Barth says. #Magnotta

    I approached Mr #Magnotta very gently, Barth says. What he was going through would have been difficult for sane person, let alone insane

    When Barth first saw #Magnotta he was on the ward. I was expecting him, he says.

    #Magnotta was a VIP, Barth says. The ward received quite a few postcards and letters from unknown people for Magnotta. Fan mail.

    One sent him socks and said please wear these socks and send them back. #Magnotta was distressed and scared because of it

    Can you objectively assess hallucinations crown asks? We are dealing with all kinds of psychopathic findings, Barth says. #Magnotta

    #Magnotta never had hallucinations in front of you, crown says. First day, no, but I asked him and he had thought withdrawal + radio in head

    When Barth takes cell phone out of pocket, #Magnotta was scared and thought it was a weapon and Barth would kill him

    #Magnotta mumbled to himself but couldn't understand what he was saying. Social worker called g'ma but she hung up phone. Disappointed

    #Magnotta had wanted staff to call his g'ma, because he was close to her. Her hanging up cld lead to self harm or suicide, Barth said

    #Magnotta wasn't first patient for extradition from the prison hospital, Barth says

    Barth met with Joel Watts, psych from Canada who accompanied #magnotta back to Canada

    That's it for today in #magnotta. See you tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/MontgomerySue?lang=en&lang=en
     
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    @MontgomerySue:

    #Magnotta was a VIP, Barth says. The ward received quite a few postcards and letters from unknown people for Magnotta. Fan mail.

    One sent him socks and said please wear these socks and send them back. #Magnotta was distressed and scared because of it

    Can you objectively assess hallucinations crown asks? We are dealing with all kinds of psychopathic findings, Barth says. #Magnotta

    #Magnotta never had hallucinations in front of you, crown says. First day, no, but I asked him and he had thought withdrawal + radio in head

    When Barth takes cell phone out of pocket, #Magnotta was scared and thought it was a weapon and Barth would kill him

    #Magnotta mumbled to himself but couldn't understand what he was saying. Social worker called g'ma but she hung up phone. Disappointed

    #Magnotta had wanted staff to call his g'ma, because he was close to her. Her hanging up cld lead to self harm or suicide, Barth said

    #Magnotta wasn't first patient for extradition from the prison hospital, Barth says

    Barth met with Joel Watts, psych from Canada who accompanied #magnotta back to Canada

    That's it for today in #magnotta. See you tomorrow

    Edit: Kamille, you are always one step ahead :blushing:
     
  8. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    How does a scared paranoid schizophrenic acquire a "fan club" so quickly? I don't suppose the fan mail will be coming in to the trial? Likely from people who had been following his online antics for years.

    Doesn't seem like a career in "modelling and acting" is a good fit either. You know...since he's scared of everyone and everything...including cell phones. SMH

    That was one big act if you ask me. As matou said, he had none of these issues prior to his arrest.

    MOO
     
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    :gasp:

    I just can't believe what I'm reading... It sounds like was acting like a diva, and was allowed to call.all the shots - even treated like some sort of celebrity! They gave hi a double room to himself and he told them not to let the other patients disturb him! WTF!
     
  10. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    I know!! The 5 Star prison psych unit was pampering their famous guest.

    By the way...isn't this the same place that Mr Rubert says he fooled into letting him stay for 4 months instead of going to prison?

    MOO
     
  11. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    I actually had just sat down at my computer because I had an unexpected guest this afternoon. Grabbed Sue's tweets as quick as I could and was glad that the afternoon was fairly short due to the legal wranglings. LOL

    Never hurts to get as much of them as we can on here. Even if we duplicate. :)
     
  12. italianWSfan

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    I have never seen this sketch of chubby Kluka before, thought I'd share this with you guys :laugh::laugh::laugh:

    B1OfBCCCMAA5iEA.jpg

    :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
  13. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    Do you guys think the jury will find LM guilty or NCR? Judging from what has been presented so far?
     
  15. maxfactor

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    Guilty.
     
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    I don't remember seeing the reference to BPD in the tweets but here it is!!

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...tic-than-schizophrenic-after-doctors-testify/
     
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    It's sometimes hard to get a feel for what is really being said by witnesses based on the tweets. After reading the article by Christie Blatchford I am getting the feeling that the schizophrenia diagnosis isn't coming across as cut and dried as it seemed.


    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...tic-than-schizophrenic-after-doctors-testify/
     
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    http://psychcentral.com/disorders/histrionic-personality-disorder-symptoms/
     
  19. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    So far I've read nothing that would indicate he was NCR at the time of this murder. However, I have the benefit of google and the helpful answers to my questions here. The jury does not. So it's anyone's guess what they are leaning towards.

    MOO
     
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    I have noticed something about Luka and his 'schizophrenia' and the voices in his head... he uses mental illness to get out of trouble. They do not seem to really exist until he ends up in trouble with the law. Then he lays it on thick. Between these events, he seems paranoid and anxious and otherwise disturbed, but the voices really only take over AFTER he is charged with something. I could be wrong, but that Dr Tan did nothing to help his case, IMO. And neither did this one. He was just fine until he was arrested. Just like back in 2005. He had his issues, but the 'voices' started before his court date, but didn't seem to exist before then? Hmm. Did I miss something?

    What I see is a disturbed, but very calculating and manipulative individual.



    MOO
     
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