Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

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  1. No_Stone_Unturned

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    TRIAL CONTINUES - 31 OCTOBER, 2014:

    https://twitter.com/sleeCJAD


    * I'll try to post some tweets but I'll be out a lot today *


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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 10m 10 minutes ago

    #Magnotta trial reconvenes in an hour.
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 23m 23 minutes ago

    #Magnotta trial begins a little earlier this morning for legal discussions before the jury is brought in.
     
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    From suemontgomery (@MontgomerySue):


    #Magnotta's father is to testify. Longish hair, wearing wooden cross necklace and walks with a cane. Sitting on chair

    #Magnotta is not looking at his father. He not looking at his son. Jury coming in now

    Crown announces that his case is closed. But working on a series of admissions with the defence. #Magnotta

    Father is 50 years old. Judge explaining to jury why the witness has a support person with him. But they shouldn't infer anything from it

    Leclair explaining to witness that 14 people in front of him are jury. #Magnotta

    Witness speaking loudly and clearly. "I understand that sir," he says. We cannot report his name #Magnotta

    Leclair points to #Magnotta. That's my son sir, Eric Clinton Newman. Witness gives his address. Says he's here to help son #Magnotta

    I think my mother is 74, sir, you don't ask a woman her name, witness says #Magnotta

    #Magnotta's paternal grandfather had pet store, worked at Loblaws. Maternal grandmother worked at pet store. Love pets

    #Magnotta loves pets. He loves my dog Duke, sir, German Shephard Huskey cross, sir, witness says

    Witness talking about his two brothers. One lives with parents in Orillia. No sisters. Have daughter and another son#Magnotta

    Went to Treadway, kindergarten to grade 6 but was very sick with asthma. Got beat up lot because short and skinny. Failed G 8 #Magnotta

    Went to high school till grade 10 in Scarborough, the night school to finish, witness says #Magnotta

    Witness says his best course was English, liked reading and the English language. Hard to put into words, he says #Magnotta

    Finished school at about 19, 20 when already married. Worked in security and at hospital. We all lived with parents, he says #Magnotta

    Father is 6ft 1, he says. At Scarborough Hospital did equipment repair. Got diploma from Seneca College #Magnotta

    Talking about #Magnotta's mother, Anna Yourkin, who is part Russion. Met via blind date set up by brother #Magnotta

    Said she was on birth control but wasn't. She was 16 and got pregnant with #magnotta. father was 17
     
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    From suemontgomery(@MontgomerySue):

    I married her but had to have special permission, and lived with parents basement, witness said. She quit school #Magnotta

    #Magnotta mom 5ft 5 in, skinny, natural blond hair. I named him Clinton Kirk after Clint Eastwood and Kirk Douglas #Magnotta

    My wife at the time named him Eric, witness said. Early years were good, happy cause stayed with witness's parents #Magnotta

    Once Anna went back with her family, there were a lot of problems. They didn't like me, thought I was terrible person for getting her preg

    Anna's mom worked in nylon company, packaged them at home, witness says #Magnotta

    Anna visited her parents and that's when all the trouble started, witness said. 2nd son was Conrad Carmen Shane Newman. I named him#Magnotta

    Daughter Melissa came after Conrad, but don't remember date, witness says. A long time after, but don't remember #Magnotta

    My mom got molested in her driveway so we had to move and Eric and Conrad came with us. And Melissa #Magnotta

    #Magnotta didn't really go to school, witness says. He was home schooled. We lived northeast of Toronto in Bethany

    Witness worked at Lever Bro in soap factory, made Dove soap bars, worked in warehouse. For about 10 years #Magnotta

    Bought house in Bethany. Witness having trouble remembering daughter's name. Mom was very clingy #Magnotta

    Witness says Anna didn't do a very good job at home schooling kids, but don't know what she taught them #Magnotta

    Witness never actually saw Anna teaching their kids. Went on for 5 or six years. We lost the house, because of cc bills, he said #Magnotta

    Eric, Conrad and Melissa went to school for first time after we lost the house, witness says #Magnotta
     
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    From suemontgomery(@MontgomerySue):

    #Magnotta didn't have friends, no schooling, no kids his own age. Anna was a germophobe, he says. It was terrible.

    Family moved back in with witness's parents, he says. Kids started going to school. Can't remember which school #Magnotta went to

    Anna put kids in isolation, fanatic, using Lysol, wore gloves, wouldn't let kids use public washrooms, made kids hold it, he says #magnotta

    Witness said he had a drinking problem that lasted a number of years. I realized I had psych prob, he says #Magnotta

    Anna used mastercards, visa, spending money on toys and going back and forth to her mom's place, witness says #Magnotta

    Anna also had a drinking problem - vodka. I would come home and she would be drunk, he says. Was against the home schooling #Magnotta

    Never spoke to #Magnotta about not going to school, he says. But he didn't like the home schooling, none of them did

    How do you know that? Because they told me, witness said. #Magnotta

    #Magnotta and his bro Conrad had no contact with anyone. Melissa was younger and played on jungle gym. Boys v mixed up, still are#Magnotta

    Boys were abused by maternal grandmother, witness said. She tied Conrad to a high chair with belts. #Magnotta wanted to be with g'ma

    maternal g'ma wanted custody of all children. wanted to take them from Anna, witness says #Magnotta

    G'ma tried to go to court, in my opinion, witness says. She smothered, babied #Magnotta. Favoured him. She clung to kids

    #Magnotta not looking at his dad as he testifies. Looking at the floor

    I had a lot of trouble with police officers in the family, in Phyllis's family (g'ma's) #magnotta

    Witness can't remember when he and Anna divorced. I didn't love her any more, she made me feel miserable #Magnotta

    Lost my job because of my drinking, went to AA, started drinking aagain and lost Lever Bro job, witness says #Magnotta

    Anna's boyfriend Leo was mean to #Magnotta, says witness. He called him a ******
     
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    PLEASE READ FROM BOTTOM UP :)

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 50s 50 seconds ago
    After separation, kids went to mom in law's. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Went back to drinking again, lost job at Lever. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Ex's whole family drove me crazy. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Why divorce? Didn't love her anymore, didn't like way treated the kids. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Mom in law go to live in Peterborough? Yes after our divorce. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
    Police officers in family? Yes mom in law's side. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
    Had a sister and another brother. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago
    His ex had brother Gregory and got married and stayed with parents. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago
    Mom in law had type of personality to cling to kids. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago
    She wanted mostly Eric, babied him, smothered him. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago
    Mom in law went to court, tried to get custody. Don't think she did. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago
    Mom in law wanted custody of kids for his ex. Kids were around 7 or 8, living in PepperTree. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 7m 7 minutes ago
    Conrad was tied with belts to a chair. Eric was mistreated too. There was custody battle. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 7m 7 minutes ago
    Conrad was tied to a chair and mistreated by the mom and her mother. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8m 8 minutes ago
    They were very mixed up kids. In many ways and still are. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8m 8 minutes ago
    Daughter was youngest so no feelings about that. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 9m 9 minutes ago
    Was he a normal child? No friends, home schooling, not learning anything, no interaction with anybody. Other son the same. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 9m 9 minutes ago
    Eric told me, that he hated the country living. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 9m 9 minutes ago
    Eric didn't like being in Betheny, he wanted to be in Scarborough with regular school and regular schools. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 10m 10 minutes ago
    Did you ask kids how the home schooling was going? No, I was against it, never had conversations with Eric about it. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 10m 10 minutes ago
    I was against the home schooling, wanted the kids to go to school. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 10m 10 minutes ago
    I'd come home at midnight and his ex was drinking vodka and mom-in-law was on the sherry. I'd come home and they'd be all drunk. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 11m 11 minutes ago
    The mom had drinking problem too, vodka, in Betheny. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 11m 11 minutes ago
    I quit drinking and realized had psychiatric problem. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 12m 12 minutes ago
    How long prob last? Number of years. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 12m 12 minutes ago
    You have drinking problem? Yes. Time when ex went back to parents and caused a lot of trouble for both of us. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 12m 12 minutes ago
    Now around 1991. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 13m 13 minutes ago
    At this point,married ten years. Married in '81,'82.#Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14m 14 minutes ago
    Eric went back to school, Gr 6 or 7. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14m 14 minutes ago
    Moved back with his parents. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14m 14 minutes ago
    How much debt? Ex racked up Mastercard, Visa, spending money on toys, going to her mom's place in Scarborough. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15m 15 minutes ago
    Every kind of Lysol you could think of, when travelling to her parents, made the kids hold it in until they got there. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16m 16 minutes ago
    Mom was germophobe. It was terrible. Put kids in isolation, would not let them use public washrooms, made them use Lysol. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16m 16 minutes ago
    Did he have friends? No he was isolated, no friends, no schooling. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16m 16 minutes ago
    Back to Betheny: Eric was mistreated in school. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 17m 17 minutes ago
    No matter how much money I made or work I did. SO then we moved to PepperTree. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 17m 17 minutes ago
    Lost the house. My ex ran up credit card bills and couldn't make payments, money going down the toilet. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18m 18 minutes ago
    How long did home schooling last? 5 or 6 years. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18m 18 minutes ago
    Come home and ever see her teaching them? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18m 18 minutes ago
    Didn't teach them very well. not a very good job. No contact with children of their kids' age. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 19m 19 minutes ago
    The mom was very clingy and wanted total control over the kids. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 19m 19 minutes ago
    Mom's parents? In Scarborough. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 20m 20 minutes ago
    Witness drove back and forth to work at Lever Brothers. Worked there for 10 years, in soap factory. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 20m 20 minutes ago
    Moved there and #Magnotta home taught. The mom wanted to move to smaller town.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 21m 21 minutes ago
    Moved to Betheny. North east of Toronto. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 21m 21 minutes ago
    Eric/#Magnotta home schooled. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 22m 22 minutes ago
    Another child? Yes daughter Melissa. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 23m 23 minutes ago
    Have another child? Yes, about 10 mos. later. Name? Conrad Carmen Shane. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 24m 24 minutes ago
    The mom's family lived in Scarborough. Not far from his family's house. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 24m 24 minutes ago
    Why falling out? Her family didn't like me, thought I was terrible person for getting her pregnant. #Magnotta


    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 25m 25 minutes ago
    Led a happy life up until the mom got together with family, they had a falling out. #Magnotta


    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 25m 25 minutes ago
    Name of baby? Eric Clint Kirk Newman. Clint for Eastwood, Kirk for Douglas, the actors. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Physically? 5'5', skinny, blonde hair, dark roots. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26m 26 minutes ago
    She never went back to school. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Lived in his parents' basement. The mom left school. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 27m 27 minutes ago
    The mom's dad was furious, and they got married. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 27m 27 minutes ago
    He was 17, she was 16. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 27m 27 minutes ago
    Met #Magnotta mom in high school, through brother, blind date. Fell in love, she said was on birth control and got pregnant with #Magnotta.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 28m 28 minutes ago
    Graduated in such a course at Senecal College. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 29m 29 minutes ago
    At hospital, did medical equipment repair. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 29m 29 minutes ago
    Did security for IBM. He's 6'1". Weighed about 180 at that time. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 29m 29 minutes ago
    Worked for security company, at Scarborough General Hospital and went to night school. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 30m 30 minutes ago
    When finished school, while he was married with son Eric, witness was 19 or 20. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 30m 30 minutes ago
    Witness failed Gr. 8, went to night school. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 31m 31 minutes ago
    He missed a lot of school because of asthma. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 31m 31 minutes ago
    Then he went to Woodworth Junior High. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 32m 32 minutes ago
    I was a very sick child with asthma and I got beat up a lot, I was a little kid, short, skinny, with asthma. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 32m 32 minutes ago
    You go to grade school? Treadway Junior Public in Scarborough. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 32m 32 minutes ago
    Witness describing family. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 34m 34 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta loves pets, loves his pet dog Duke.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 34m 34 minutes ago
    Mother also worked at the pet store, father owned it for 8-10 years. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 34m 34 minutes ago
    Witness's father had a pet store, worked for Safeway and Loblaws. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 35m 35 minutes ago
    Witness is 50 years old. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 35m 35 minutes ago
    See that man sitting there? Yes I do , that's my son, Eric Newman. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 37m 37 minutes ago
    Defence lawyer Luc Leclair explains to witness there are 14 jurors. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 38m 38 minutes ago
    Judge says it has nothing to do with the evidence. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 38m 38 minutes ago
    Judge tells jury the witness is testifying with a "support person", to help him give evidence in more comfortable surroundings. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 39m 39 minutes ago
    The father of #Magnotta has longish hair, wearing a black coat, walks with a cane. Sitting in a wooden chair while testifying.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 39m 39 minutes ago
    The defence's first witness: the father of Luka #Magnotta. His name is under a publication ban. #CJAD

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 39m 39 minutes ago
    The defence begins presenting its case. #Magnotta #CJAD


    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 40m 40 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Crown rests its case in #Magnotta trial. #CJAD
     
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    From suemontgomery(@MontgomerySue):

    #Magnotta lived in Toronto with Anna and her bf Leo. They had two children together, witness says

    Phyllis moved to Peterborough and had some of the kids live with her, witness says. Relationship with Yourkin's was terrible, he said

    Witness had gun collection when they lived in Bethany but sold them because G'ma Phyllis didn't want them in the house #Magnotta

    When witness separated from Anna, began having psych probs. Heard voices, suicidal, angry. Went to hospital #magnotta

    Witness has blue lunch bag of pills sitting on table in front of him. Quit drinking 8 years ago, quit drinking 15 years ago #Magnotta

    anti-psychotic, anti-depressant. Witness's wife has schizophrenia, he says #Magnotta

    Witness says he needs to take his noon medication #Magnotta So lunch break



    I hope I could help a bit! I cant post tweets after the lunch break, as I will be on my phone only.
    Thanks to all of you who kept me up to date last week!
    :seeya:
     
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    PLEASE READ FROM BOTTOM UP

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Lunch break. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Witness says they're empty pill bottles to keep blister packs. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Current wife's name on pill bottle. Judge tells defence they're straying. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Witness describes pills used to help while he's stopped drinking. Anti-depressants and anti-psychotic pills. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
    Witness points to blue bag in front of him. "Those are my pills." #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
    Went to hospital because of that? Yes. First time happened? Yes. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4m 4 minutes ago
    I heard voices. I felt like suicide, felt angry. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago
    Probs when separate from ex? Psychological probs. I had schizophrenia. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago
    I went to live where grandparents live, then PepperTree, then divorce. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 5m 5 minutes ago
    Witness had gun collection. Mom in law didn't want it in her house. Kicked him out. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago
    Didn't get along with ex's family. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago
    I was living in Scarborough at time. Never went to Peterborough. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 7m 7 minutes ago
    Can't recollect time period, just know what I was told. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 7m 7 minutes ago
    Talking about Eric living with mom in law and her hubby in Toronto. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8m 8 minutes ago
    Judge says jury will have to weigh it along with evidence. Did I do something wrong, witness asks. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 8m 8 minutes ago
    People Eric went to stay with mistreated him, called him ******. Crown objects, says it's hearsay. Judge says it's contextual. #Magnotta

    Me: since it's contextual, the word that the board automatically censored is f a g g o t

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue ·
    Anna's boyfriend Leo was mean to #Magnotta, says witness. He called him a ******
     
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    Hmmm.... seems a bit theatrical for him to have his meds with him, then say he needs to take them whilst he's on the stand! I didn't think antipsychotics had to be take so regularly/ frequently? But maybe he has other health problems too.

    ETA I was wrong, I just googled it and found this:
    "Antipsychotics are available as tablets or as a liquid medication. If antipsychotics are swallowed, they are taken once, twice or three times a day, depending on the drug and the dose."
    http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/antipsychotic_medication
     
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    Holy crap! What a day in court so far. Many thanks to those posting the tweets. :) I'll be gone again at 1:30 pm so kindly continue. :tyou:

    This is a very extensive look into Magnotta's early years. I'm somewhat speechless.......
     
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    http://answers.psychcentral.com/Depression/i-hate-my-mother-and-i-dont-care-enough-to-change-it-/

    Some of what LM's dad is saying agrees with what LM posted about his family in the above thread, under the name of vladimir romanov.

    LM's dad has confirmed that LM's mother was 16 when she had him, that she had a phobia about germs, that she would tie LM's younger brother to a chair with belts and abuse him, that the kids were homeschooled because the outside world is "dirty".

    I'm sure LM will appreciate that his father is speaking out for him now. He calls his father "bipolar" rather than schizophrenic and LM himself claimed to have bipolar disorder. My guess is that he is ashamed about having schizophrenia, and says bipolar disorder because that has a slightly less of a stigma attached to it. He calls his father a pathalogical liar - hopefully LM's mother will also testify so we can hear her side of the story.

    LM obviously didn't approve of his father taking medication for schizophrenia.
     
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 23m 23 minutes ago
    Legal stuff before the jury returns. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 22m 22 minutes ago
    When jury is back, testimony of father of #Magnotta will resume.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago
    Still legal issues. #Magnotta
     
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    So if daddy Newman isn't lieing, then LM was talking the thruth about his upbringing! And if it is the thruth, wow, i feel for the child that LM once was ( and his siblings )! But whatever your upbringing may be it is never an excuse for the things he did!
     
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    Now Read from Top to Bottom :)

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Jury is back. Testimony of father of #Magnotta continues.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Jury instructing jury about personal knowledge of the facts and hearsay. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Personal knowledge is what witness saw or heard that is different from he learned from someone else. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 14s 15 seconds ago
    Witness may explain how he acquired such personal knowledge of the facts. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now 7 seconds ago
    Can be difficult to assess witness' memory or perception of facts. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Example: Witness talked about ex's bf beating #Magnotta. But since he didn't personally witness it, it's not evidence before the jury.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Back to witness testimony: talking about witness's medication. #Magnotta


    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
    #Magnotta's father back on the stand and says he feels better, more relaxed. Going over what meds he takes

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    List of presciption labels shown on overhead projector. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 50s 50 seconds ago
    Meds for pain, arthritis in left ankle. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 33s 33 seconds ago
    Next med, not sure for what. Med for pinched nerve in back. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 31s 31 seconds ago
    Med from psych Dr. Byers, Cnd Mental Health Assoc, saw him for five years. Now seeing Dr. Ferguson. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15s 15 seconds ago
    Next med, not sure for what. Next med for jittery nerves. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 57s 57 seconds ago
    Next med, anti-psychotic. Three tablets at bedtime. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 46s 46 seconds ago
    Next med,anti-psychotic. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Next med, not sure for what. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Next med for manic depression. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 59s 59 seconds ago
    Next med for depression. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 13s 13 seconds ago
    List of ten meds. #Magnotta


    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1h 1 hour ago
    . . . Some 29 pills a day. #Magnotta
     
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 41s 41 seconds ago
    Separation from wife, now remarried? Yes. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4s 4 seconds ago
    Hospitalized for psych probs? Yes. A lot, happened 6,7,10 years ago. Stable since on meds. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 40s 40 seconds ago
    Calms psychotic episodes. He says works as cleaner now. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16s 16 seconds ago
    Works at CMHA. Did work as snack cart for offices, lost job due to lack of funds. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26s 26 seconds ago
    HOw many times go to ER because of Psych probs? A lot before meds. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    How old when started psych probs? Started drinking, didn't know how to handle it. Maybe about 35 or 40 yrs old. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 59s 59 seconds ago
    Medical records? Yes turned them over to you. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 11s 11 seconds ago
    Used to go to Centenary Hospital, now part of Rouge Valley. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Jury going to get copies of witness' medical record. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    1700 pages. #Magnotta

    ME: here we go, Leclair can read all 1700 pages out in a boring monotone now :p

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 39s 39 seconds ago
    Intro'd his psych to Eric/#Magnotta because noticed problems. Can't remember exactly.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 22s 22 seconds ago
    How old was Eric? Can't remember. 20 I think. Not sure. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 7s 7 seconds ago
    Seen psych before that? I don't think so. #Magnotta
     
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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18s 18 seconds ago
    You noticed something about him, to take him to your psych? Yes, for interview. Was not present. Took him on for number of years. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Visited Eric in Centenary Hospital, he wasn't well. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 34s 34 seconds ago
    He was admitted on 6th fl I think. Used to keep his wallet in safe on the ground floor. He'd have to sign himself out. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 49s 50 seconds ago
    Bits and pieces will come back to me, can't remember over such a long period. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18s 19 seconds ago
    #Magnotta leaning forward in his seat, head bowed.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 38s 38 seconds ago
    In 2003, March 7,acc to medical records:Aware son admitted to 10th floor, hearing voices,about to move.Witness acknowledges this. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 12s 12 seconds ago
    Witness says think his son told him he was hearing voices, got himself to the hospital. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 58s 59 seconds ago
    Defence reading from med record about #Magnotta hearing voices. Crown objects, hearsay. Judge said it's reliable info.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    March 2003, did you hear voices to hurt others? Yes I did. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4s 4 seconds ago
    Voices tell you to act,not to act on anger, depression.Thoughts and emotions all jiggled together,voices command you what to do. #Magnotta



    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4m 4 minutes ago
    In records says that on March 7, 2003 father was worried about son because he was hearing voices. "I think he told me," dad says #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Father was in for mental assessment in 2003, heard voices telling him to hurt himself or others. Homicidal ideation #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Voices that tell me to act or not to act on anger, depression, your thoughts, feelings emotions are all jiggled together, witness says
     
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    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    It's male voice, witness says. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Father in law said to me once, why don't you go kill yourself? So that thought was inn my mind. Voices telling me what to do. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 40s 40 seconds ago
    Said 2,3 voices telling me. "Mobile crisis": help talk you down or tell you to go to hospital. Part of Rouge Valley, CMHA. #Magnotta


    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
    It was an older man's voice, father says. Father in law would say if you don't like it why don't you go kill yourself, he says #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 16s 16 seconds ago
    Also have Dr. Eisenberg? Yes, overprescribed meds,really did a number on me. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 50s 50 seconds ago
    Dr. Cruz, psych? Yes saw her once or twice. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Father has a team at CAMH that takes care of him. Psychiatrist, job team workers, nurses, counsellors, social worker #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
    Dr Eisenberg over prescribed medicine till I was screwed up in the head, father says #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 32s 33 seconds ago
    Witness tends to go off on tangents and when stopped by defence, he says "ok, I'm sorry." Almost childlike #Magnotta




    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 49s 49 seconds ago
    Going through a whole list of mental health workers witness may or may not have dealt with. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21s 21 seconds ago
    #Magnotta's father had auditory hallucinations, feel like people are following me, looking over my shoulder. paranoid



    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 23s 23 seconds ago

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 45s 45 seconds ago
    Studied karate, why? Someone kicked me in ankle and wanted to learn to defend myself. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15s 15 seconds ago
    Voices you heard, still hear them? Yes, but not as bad. Hear them today? No. Yesterday? No. #Magnotta
    Now in March 2013: Mohammad Jabar, talked about feelings witness had about people following him, trying to hurt him. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 35s 35 seconds ago
    When last heard? Last week. What say? Make sure no one touches me or hurt me and go on and not live anymore. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 11s 11 seconds ago
    Called my counsellor, asked to speak with Dr. Ferguson. Got support, visits to my house. #Magnotta



    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 28s 28 seconds ago
    Still hears voices, but not as bad, witness says. Heard them about a week ago. 2 or 3 were saying to not live any more. #Magnotta
    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 50s 50 seconds ago
    Gets support three times a week at his house, witness says. They come to my house #Magnotta



    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Called my counsellor, asked to speak with Dr. Ferguson. Got support, visits to my house. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Did voice tell you to kill someone? No, to defend myself. But if did, to kill someone? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 51s 51 seconds ago
    Pre-med, voices stronger? Yes. Med helps? Yes, makes sure live normal, productive healthy life. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 26s 26 seconds ago
    Get a lot of support, meds, still hear voices but not as bad and don't act on them. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 41s 41 seconds ago
    Para schizophrenic manic depressive is current diagnosis. #Magnotta
     
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    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 7s 8 seconds ago
    I still hear voices. paranoid schizophrenic, manic depressive is his diagnosis, witness says #Magnotta



    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 56s 56 seconds ago
    1996, Nov 19: Dr. Thomas Choi? Don't remember him. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15s 15 seconds ago
    Report talks about witness's auditory hallucinations, suicidal thoughts, loss of enjoyment of life. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 34s 34 seconds ago
    Witness can't recall diagnosis outlined in report, refers to dual personality disorder. Acknowledges date. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4s 4 seconds ago
    So took time to figure out what your illness? Yes, always diagnosed as manic depressive, turned out to be a lot more than that. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 4s 4 seconds ago
    Another doctor's report refers to other personality and psych disorders. Witness says rings a bell. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 21s 21 seconds ago
    But can't remember if, when admitted for that. Maybe 10-15 times went to ER. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Leclair reading from med file from 1996. Increasing suicidal thoughts, writing bad cheques, the doc notes say. Witness doesn't remember
    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
    Was around 1996 when he was diagnosed. at first they thought it was bipolar. manic depressive. It turned out to be a lot more, he says



    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 36s 36 seconds ago
    In communication with Eric of late? Only in prison, up until 4 months ago, no family allowed to visit him. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 24s 24 seconds ago
    How many times visit him? 4x since arrest. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 42s 42 seconds ago
    How did it go? Went well, we connected, we understood each other. Defence is done. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18s 18 seconds ago
    Crown asks about criminal record. UI fraud. Bad cheques. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 13s 13 seconds ago
    Doesn't like to travel by plane, afraid of them. Doesn't like groups, fear of being in crowds. #Magnotta


    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Cross by crown. Witness has record for UI fraud and bad cheques. In process of getting a pardon, he says #Magnotta
    suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago
    Witness would like to become security guard. Afraid of airplanes. Anxious to take bus or train. Came to Mtl by megabus #Magnotta


    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 38s 39 seconds ago
    If get pardoned, like to go see NY or Washington? I'd like to go to Vegas. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 20s 21 seconds ago
    Go without wife? Wouldn't enjoy it as much. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · now 5 seconds ago
    Would go by bus or train. Wouldn't enjoy going without wife. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 44s 45 seconds ago
    So schizophrenia makes it difficult to travel or go to places by yourself? Yes.

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 18s 19 seconds ago
    Longest you went without talking to son? 5, 10 years. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 35s 35 seconds ago
    Son was connecting with ex and father in law and never liked those people and he did so he came in and out of my life. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 11s 11 seconds ago
    Did it have to do with the fact he slept with your new wife? May have. #Magnotta [ME: shuyee deleted this tweet shortly after posting it]

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 44s 44 seconds ago
    Witness said got letter from a Diana who didn't like me or my wife and made up stuff. My wife never slept with him. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 17s 17 seconds ago
    It was a lie? Yes. Confronted Eric and wife? Yes. They said it never happened. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 25s 25 seconds ago
    Did it have to do with the fact he slept with your new wife? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 54s 54 seconds ago
    Witness says this Diana person made it up, was a lie. Crown is done. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 44s 44 seconds ago
    It was a lie? Yes. Confronted Eric and wife? Yes. They said it never happened. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 1m 1 minute ago
    Witness said got letter from a Diana who didn't like me or my wife and made up stuff. My wife never slept with him. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 15s 16 seconds ago
    Witness insists this Diana person made it up, it was a lie. Crown done.#Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 45s 46 seconds ago
    Legal issues now while jury and witness are gone for break. #Magnotta
     
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    I didn't know you could be diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia AND bipolar disorder - I thought they diagnosed shizoaffective disorder when someone has symptoms of both.
    I wonder if this letter from "Diana" was actually written by LM? :p LM did write online posts saying that he slept with his stepmother.
     
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    All I can say is wow...


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