Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week Nov 20, 2014 - Trial Thread #4

Discussion in 'Luka Rocco Magnotta AKA Eric Newman' started by Salem, Oct 24, 2014.

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  1. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Noooo, please tell me the Crown isn't allowed a rebuttal to rebut the rebuttal of the rebuttal... this could go on forever!
     


  2. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Really?! But the Crown made out that he was a druggie because of the Miami hospitalisation :s

    That's not what we heard before! I don't remember what it was off the top of my head, but it wasn't temazepam. It think it was a different benzodiazapine.
    ETA I just looked it up and before we heard that in August 2001 LM took an entire bottle of a new medication in a suicide attempt - he took 30mg Rivotril .
     
  3. No_Stone_Unturned

    No_Stone_Unturned New Member

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    Quoted from above:

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 47s47 seconds ago
    Allard also says she did not identify sexual sadism in #Magnotta, nor an antisocial personality disorder, says he's not a psychopath.


    EXACTLY! He's a perfectly normal KILLER of humans and animals. Lock him up! :jail:
     
  4. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 2m2 minutes ago
    #Magnotta. Au tour de Couronne de questionner Dr Allard.

    Translation: Crown's turn to question Dr Allard #Magnotta

    Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM · 1m1 minute ago
    La Couronne veut savoir sur quelle base en 2001 les docs avaient conclu à une overdose de drogue médicale. #Magnotta

    Translation: Crown wants to know on what basis the docs in 2001 concluded that it was an overdose of medical drugs. #Magnotta

    Michaël Nguyen ‏@MNguyenJDM · 5m5 minutes ago
    La preuve au procès #Magnotta est CLOSE!

    Translation: The evidence portion of the #Magnotta trial is finished!

    (so we don't get Allard's answer to the Crown question :notgood: )

    François Messier ‏@MessierSRC · 6m6 minutes ago
    Juge dit au jury qu'il sera de retour mercredi prochain. Jury devrait être séquestré après instuctions finales, vendredi prochain #Magnotta

    Translation: Judge told the jury that they will return next Wednesday. Jury should be sequestered after final instuctions next Friday #Magnotta

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 6m6 minutes ago
    #Magnotta judge tells jury that the evidence is now completed. Says it's normal to now have time for legal discussions with counsel. #cbcmtl

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta jury asked to be back on Wed am. Judge tells jurors he will give final instruction on Friday,they will then be sequestered #cbcmtl
     
  5. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I just looked in Dr Watt's report and he also wrote that the overdose was of Rivotril (rivotril is a trade name of Clonazepam).

     
  6. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Remember that it's in Dr. Watts report that he was drug tested in Miami. So we don't know if he got that info from LM or if he got it from the actual hospital records.

    I thought it was something other than Temazepam that was first said as well. Not sure if that tweet was based on what was said at the trial or if the reporter threw in that drug on their own.

    That's the problem with trial by tweet.

    Here are the two tweets about that exchange...note only from that one reporter

    christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 35m35 minutes ago
    En 2001, #Magnotta avait été admis pour overdose à hôpital Ross Memorial. Overdose de Temazepam. Il avait pris bouteille au complet

    Translation: In 2001, #Magnotta was admitted to overdose at Ross Memorial Hospital. Overdose of Temazepam . He took full bottle

    christianedesjardins ‏@chridesjardins · 35m35 minutes ago
    ON peut mourir de ce genre d'intoxication, dit Dr Allard. #Magnotta

    Translation: ON can die from this kind of poisoning , said Dr. Allard . #Magnotta

    Clear as mud right?

    :gaah:
     
  7. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    And it appears as though the Crown asked today how anyone can be sure he actually took this "overdose" since it was just an empty pill bottle and LM not behaving "normally" (like when does he ever?) that prompted the people at Harrison House to take him to the hospital. Doesn't sound like any testing was done to see if he actually took the drugs and didn't just flush them for attention.

    Unfortunately we didn't get the answer to the question tweeted today.

    MOO
     
  8. Rayemonde

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    I have to say, I do believe that it was a genuine suicide attempt after reading the description. He denied having taken an overdose, was held against his will at the hospital and treated with activated charcoal and antidote meds. Not a pleasant treatment. When we first heard about this attempt (I think it was Allard on the stand at the time?) the witness said that the hospital does blood tests in the case of an overdose before treating the patient, to confirm what has actual been taken.

    I think Allard just misremembered what LM overdosed on when she said it was temazepam.
     
  9. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    That may be the common procedure but I guess the Crown is stating that there is nothing in the hospital records to indicate that they tested his blood to see if he had injested all the medication?

    This is also LM we're talking about. He could have taken a few to garner the attention but not actually kill himself, and flushed the rest. He constantly talked about wanting to commit suicide but never actually did. Can he really claim that someone pulled him from the edge of a subway platform? Where is this person? I think I'd remember an incident like that if it were me. Do they live under a rock? They've never heard of LM?

    In trudging through that report (thanks again for the link!!) I'm seeing a LOT of claims and not one person who has come forward to substantiate anything. Not one. Well other than his schizophrenic father.

    MOO
     
  10. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    More about benzodiazepine overdoses:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_overdose

    Looks like places usually don't use activated charcoal or antidotes for benzodiazepine overdoses any more because the risks often outweigh the benefits... I would hope that the hospital did a blood test to make sure that LM had actually taken an overdose, since he denied doing so, before they used treatments that can be harmful or even fatal, but who knows. :waitasec:
     
  11. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Although I just spotted this in Dr Watts' report:
     
  12. Rayemonde

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    Oh yes, I must have skimmed over that but I found it now. I'm sure this info came straight from the hospital records, because LM wouldn't have been able to remember such detail.

     
  13. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    I believe that letter was for LM to start receiving benefits in Quebec. Dr. Weinstein wrote it for him even though LM had not followed up on seeing him since Aug 2010. I think LM also claimed that "Rebecca" helped him with this as well, obtaining benefits in Quebec. You know... Rebecca from TO who also moved to Montreal at the same time as LM and bought the python as a Christmas gift for her boyfriend and asked LM to keep it at his apt. (yes just another version in Dr. Watts report)

    His stint in New York where he supposedly met "Manny" would have been sometime from Aug - Dec 2010 when he claims to have moved there and met Manny as a client. He also claimed that Manny was hiding his meds and that he went to a psychiatrist there in New York at the end of 2010 to get more meds. Now Dr. Weinstein claims in August 2010 he only gave him a prescription for one month. By Jan 2011, he claims after all the abuse in that apparent 4 month time period from Manny, including the first cat video and the call to Romeo Salta, he drove with him in his SUV to Miami. He also made other claims that he had no idea how he got to Miami or who he was there with.

    Again...clear as mud that report is. And no one thought to clarify any of it?

    :waitasec:

    MOO
     
  14. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Here's what Dr Watts' report said about LM's hospitalisations in 2003. The defence say that these hospitalisations were due to schizophrenia - psychosis but the Crown say they were due to taking crack cocaine (or possibly micropsychoses due to Borderine Personality Disorder, or possibly malingering for some secondary gain).

     
  15. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    Oh, yes!

    Sounds like Rebecca is made up, just like Manny... He probably bought the snake himself and then got bored of it and killed it or it died because he wasn't looking after it properly. And all that about being terrified of the snake, but his father told Dr Watts

    I assume this is the same snake, even though LM's dad thought it was a boa constrictor and not a python. He told his dad that it was his own pet, not one he was looking after for someone.
     
  16. DataMonkey

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    I have been following this forum for some time and I thank you all for the informed 'tweets'. It is quite frustrating at times trying to find these in the English language.

    I have just finished reading Dr Watt's psychiatric assessment of Magnotta (thank you Rayemonde). What I found interesting is the mention of the Columbian featured in Magnotta's video footage. Apparently this guy is identified as a man called John Doe. I am guessing that this was a false name given by Magnotta - John Doe is the fame seeking character from the movie Se7en (didn't the producers of Cover Guy mention he looked like Doe in the audition tape?). Also a John Doe has made several comments on YouTube footage of the exterior of Magnotta's apartment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBAdRw-Iq54. This same user also links to one of Magnotta's Photobucket account (creepy) - http://s455.photobucket.com/user/coldasice19/library/?sort=3&page=1.

    This court case seems full of black holes and I cannot understand how so much information that I would have deemed vital to the case has been overlooked.

    My brief personal views regarding Magnotta's responsibility in the case:

    I believe that LM is criminally responsible and despite having several, long standing mental health issues, I believe that he was fully aware of his actions
    and that the crime itself was carefully calculated months, if not years previously. My view is that LM intended to 'go out with a bang' and although he was aware that he would eventually get caught, I think his intention was that when he did, it would be as a serial killer.

    With regards to the outcome of the case, I think that the Jury will find him to be criminally responsible. There is just too much evidence to suggest otherwise. The 'trailer footage', the similarities to the movie Basic Instincts (the ice pick that was painted silver, 'Manny', etc). Not to mention so many contradictions in Magnotta's version of events. I will be completely aghast if the Jury return a verdict of NCR.

    Last thing - Hi, nice to meet you all :)
     
  17. matou

    matou #los2188

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    Well if that's it for witnesses then I have to say that Eric Newman will be found guilty. JMO
     
  18. maxfactor

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    I agree!
     
  19. Tiger09

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    I hope they start calling him Eric Newman again.
     
  20. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Welcome DataMonkey :welcome:

    It's been quite an interesting trial for sure. And I'm still trying to read the report when I get time. It's also definitely an eyeopener. Can't wait to hear the closing statements. Well the tweets anyway. :rolleyes:

    Nice to meet you too and feel free to look around the forums for any other cases you may be interested in as well. :)
     
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