Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week Nov 20, 2014 - Trial Thread #4

Discussion in 'Luka Rocco Magnotta AKA Eric Newman' started by Salem, Oct 24, 2014.

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  1. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Why is so much being left just hanging in the tweets at least? And not showing up in the articles? LeClair asks the officer today if he knew about a plane ticket to Vancouver in JL's name. Officer says no. Subject is dropped. Why is LeClair dropping stuff like that? And why isn't it being clarified?
     


  2. BorgQueen

    BorgQueen Eradicated User

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    Perhaps clarification would make his client look guilty?
     
  3. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    So why mention it at all? And why didn't the prosecution bring it up during their opening?
     
  4. BorgQueen

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    I really do not know... I wish I did, though. It is confusing. Or maybe THAT is the point?
     
  5. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Probably. But my first thought was that LM was trying to make it look like JL took off for Vancouver so no one would know he was dead. Not a good confusing thought if the jurors are thinking like me at all.

    :dunno:

    MOO
     
  6. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    I thought maybe he was trying to imply 'Look, JL was still alive later on just like my client said, and he was phoning Vancouver to arrange his vacation.
    'And that's why the Crown said 'but wasn't JL's phone found at JL's apartment? so it couldn't have been him making the calls. He was dead earlier than LM said'.

    Also, LM said that he and JL talked about Vancouver and he thinks maybe that's why he posted the body parts there.
     
  7. Rayemonde

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    And in the same year he wrote online:
     
  8. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    http://outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/ChaosManufacture.html



     
  9. andreww

    andreww Former Member

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    I believe that is a good assessment Rayemonde. LM certainly has a long history of creating controversy about himself then basking in the infamy that it brings him. I'm not buying the phsycosis or schyzo arguments. This guy was just a lousy human from the get go. Lazy, awkward, fascinated by serial killers, he went through life, contributing absolutely nothing positive to society. He made money in the easiest way possible, by selling himself and the only thing he strived for was fame, although he really had no talent or skill to achieve it. So typically he took the easiest route possible.


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  10. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    http://www.torontosun.com/2014/11/20/two-calls-made-from-jun-lins-phone-the-morning-he-was-butchered


    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/11/20141120-143322.html
     
  11. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    So it's not just me then. No one in that courtroom seemed to understand why LeClair presented that evidence.

    I wasn't aware that LM had claimed he and JL made those calls. And I think we know that JL was likely dead at that time. So he was once again making up stories to cover the discovery. There was no other evidence from anyone who knew JL that he was planning a trip to Vancouver. He was still in contact with his "ex" right up to the day he died and never said a word about it to him.

    So what was his purpose in calling hotels in Vancouver? And what happened to the information about a plane ticket in JL's name?

    Was he going to attempt to travel within Canada as JL (no passport required) to make it look like JL had flown to Vancouver?

    Did he really think that no one would figure out who the body parts belonged to? Didn't he try to eliminate finger tips? For someone who follows so much crime and gore he must know about DNA?

    And where was JL's phone found? Or was it found at all?

    :gaah:

    MOO
     
  12. matou

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    In his craigslist ad, he asked for a photo right? Maybe he was picking guys who he could pass for in terms of looks. I always thought he could pass for Asian easily and he also looks like the mystery man a bit too.
     
  13. No_Stone_Unturned

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    Quoted from Kamille's post above:

    So what was his purpose in calling hotels in Vancouver? And what happened to the information about a plane ticket in JL's name?

    Was he going to attempt to travel within Canada as JL (no passport required) to make it look like JL had flown to Vancouver?


    I have the same questions! Do we know which Vancouver hotels they were? Also, LM sure has a thing for the city of Vancouver!! Do we know WHY ?
     
  14. No_Stone_Unturned

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    Totally agree!
     
  15. raffielle

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    The Vancouver connection is what got me so interested in this whole thing.

    I am a Vancouverite and years ago back in around 2004-6 I use to read the craigslist rants and raves at work (it was totally entertaining) and for a while it was unbelievably filled with posts about Luka, like a couple dozen a day for months; people posting about what an idiot/fake/scammer he was and to avoid him all costs and then some supporters stating they were all just haters and jealous and lying about him. So, when this all broke I remembered the name and then the body parts were mailed here so I was totally wondering the same. I was thinking maybe it had something to do with all the **** he stirred up way back when.

    The two places they were mailed to are both prestigious places (St. George’s is a private boy’s school for the very wealthy and False Creek Elementary is not as wealthy but still a very nice and rich neighbourhood) maybe he was trying to get back at some wealthy client?? I don’t know but I would like to.

    This is the first mention of Vancouver so I am hoping that something comes out of it because I think there is more to it than JL stating a lot of Asians lived here.
     
  16. Rayemonde

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    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dai...rocco-magnotta-sent-body-parts-182713269.html

    From the link - LM filmed a porno (either in 2003 or 2005) called Street Bait: Luka. Street Bait had offices in Vancouver at the time.


    And when LM filed for bankruptcy in 2007 he owed $6,882 to an auto-leasing company in Vancouver.

     
  17. Dane

    Dane Søvnløs i Danmark.

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    Sooooo... chit chat here: Today I changed my avatar pic and profile pic (or something like that). Refreshed the page and suddenly all I could do was to post a "thanks". While that is always fine (and I did so!), I went past several posts I would have loved to have commented on.

    Idiot ME thought it was because I changed those pics... and that my profile was up for renewed approval or something. *Duh*... lol.
    This is the only Forum I am a very active member of, and my first I even joined. It turned out the thread had been closed....
    Can you believe my ignorance! So that was why!
    Oh well... lol. Now I know.

    So my 50 cents re. some of the posts: Regarding possible substance abuse by LM. I had noticed in several of his personal pictures - even from his latest apartment (on the only, small wooden dinner table in the room, more like a café table really) - I spotted a small, brown, slim glass vial on the table. You know the kind, usually found in pharmacies, with a sturdy black screw-on cap from hard, matte plastic or Bakelite or the like. Small brown vials of that kind is used off-market for everything from Poppers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers) to Cocaine powder or Crack Cocaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_cocaine), regular Amphetamines, to Methamphetamines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine) in either powder or rock form. I have seen them used for Ketamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine#Recreational_use) in both liquid and powder forms as well. They are handy for going out partying, they fit in a shirt or pants pocket, keeping the drug dry (or just tightly enough closed) and stable. They are also discreet... as they could contain anything from Menthol crystals, to an aromatic oil, or... drugs.

    Since this case has been running for a while - and I noticed the pics/vials back when the case even broke here on WS, I don't have any links as of now. But I am confident they can be found, backtracking into previous threads. Sorry guys and gals! Some homework for the interested ;-)

    I have one in my close family who were using, some years ago. I know the behavior and the signs, and I have counselled on the topic in my line of work. I am convinced LM has used drugs, to a far wider extent than he has let on. Not to validate ANY of his actions... to the contrary. Drug (ab)users are very, very familiar with lies and deception and often susceptible to paranoia and delusions. Pair that with a Histrionic Personality Disorder... and well.
    IMO you get someone close to what LM is.

    MOO of course.
     
  18. Rayemonde

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    Hi Dane, glad you found us again! :seeya: I think I know those little vials that you mean, I've seen places selling Poppers in them. I believe that some gay men use Poppers before sex? Could be related to LM's work as an escort. I didn't know that people kept other drugs in them though... interesting... :thinking:
     
  19. No_Stone_Unturned

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    Thanks for the info about the Vancouver connection.

    Questions:

    1. Why send the body parts to SCHOOLS? Prestigious or not?

    2. The Mount Pleasant area of Toronto is quite elite. How did he afford to live there?

    :thinking:
     
  20. raffielle

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    Shock value, more press, more outrage. He was looking to make a big splash to make sure people knew/talked about him (I think he wanted the notoriety/attention that Bernardo/Homolka got) and what better way than to involve the PM (get the CSIS people & possibly take it to an international level - a threat to the PM could do that) and schools (get the press/media). JMHO
     
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