Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week Nov 20, 2014 - Trial Thread #4

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  1. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    So far I'm calling BS. Where are the expensive new clothes? He sure wasn't wearing them in the pic with the reporter. Nor does it appear he had any with him either in Montreal or on the run. He looks like he wears track pants and hoodies a lot. Where are all his belongings? What happened to everything over the years?

    Everything he had was in one small suitcase it appears?

    He went to London with a purpose. And he sent that email. He needed an excuse...again. He had put more pressure on himself at that point hadn't he?

    MOO
     


  2. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta told witness he was disappointed in his relationships, by the way people treated him.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta idolizes people then gets disappointed in them. Very needy. He took off wig to show hair transplants but had been pulling it out

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta at the time took off his wig, showed tufts of his hair was falling out due to balding condition.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta felt empty, fear of abandonment, betrayal. Will do anything to keep someone. Impulsive

    Brigitte Noël ‏@Brige_Noel · 4m4 minutes ago
    Paris says that at one point, #Magnotta took off wig he was wearing - he'd been tearing out hair in tufts. Talked about self-harming.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him he used to cut himself but no recent signs of self-mutilation.

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
    Paris says #Magnotta told of mood instability, very needy in life, unstable sense of self. Got hair transplants because was pulling hair out

    Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
    Claimed self-mutilation, but dr didn't see scars #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
    In past #Magnotta cut himself. Outbursts of anger. Had two suicide attempts via overdose.

    Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
    Typical high: fly to London to spend $1200 in clothes #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
    Witness on #Magnotta current state of mind at the time: optimistic for the future and not suicidal. Very anxious person.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
    Optimistic of future, but anxious. Worries everything he accomplishes will be ruined. Panic attacks. Fears judgment #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta feared being judge, feeling people not going to like him.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Re: the hair condition. #Magnotta had hair pulling issues and chewed on his hair.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta pulled out hair and chewed on it but didn't swallow it. No compulsive activity like hand washing, or obsessions

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta said he was "optimistic about the future, content with what he had", not suicidal but often anxious. Feared others would judge him

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta did not hear voices.

    Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta denied hearing voices, when he spoke to Dr Paris "I'm only paranoid about getting fat" he said

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him he was only paranoid about getting fat: went to gym, looked at himself all the time.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
    #Magnotta denied he heard voices. Paranoid self-conscious feelings. He was afraid of getting fat - went to gym and weighed himself often

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Meeting recorded? No. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Past psychiatric history: #Magnotta told him was hospitalized four times in Ontario and US.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta told witness about hearing noises in his head in the past.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    Psychiatric history came from #Magnotta only. Said he had been hospitalized four times. Heard noises in head. Was heavily into drugs at time

    Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 4m4 minutes ago
    He said he was heavily into drugs #Magnotta

    Brigitte Noël ‏@Brige_Noel · 4m4 minutes ago
    Paris also says #Magnotta claimed he *didn't* hear voices. Said he heard "noises" in head when he did heavy drugs, cocaine.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him about the two suicide attempts, including subway jump.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta told Paris he had bipolar disorder. Tried to jump onto subway track but people pulled him back, Paris said

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    Was taking two antipsychotics and sleeping pill #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him about taking two anti-psychotic meds and sleeping pill.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him about dad diagnosed with schizophrenia.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him about taking anti-depressant.

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta said had been diagnosed w/paranoid schizophrenia, but told Paris he thought noises in head because was heavily into drugs @ time.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta was on anti depressant at the time, and for some time before that.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta told Paris he was currently on Paxil, an anti-depressant

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him stopped cocaine use two years ago.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta has some alcohol overuse, two glasses of wine at dinner and before bed, hangover next day. Don't know if daily.

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta also told Paris his original diagnosis was amended later to bipolar disorder. Said he didn't need antipsychotic medication.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta said he'd stopped marijuana two years ago. No alcoholism, but two glasses wine before noon and four to go to sleep
     
  3. No_Stone_Unturned

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    Would someone please remind me - was JL's phone found? If so, where?

    Thanks.....
     
  4. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    What was his purpose in going to London, though? I'm sure that the cat videos weren't filmed there. Did he go to London just to upload them and make people think they were filmed there?
     
  5. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness on #Magnotta family background.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him about family abuse including rape by cousin when he was 14. Sexually involved with stepmother.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
    #Magnotta said mother physically abused him. Stepfather abusive. at 14, raped by male cousin repeatedly. sexually involved with step mother.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta identified himself as bisexual, highly promiscuous, used protection.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta had serious romantic relationship, one with man, two with women.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #Magnotta highly promiscuous but used protection. Bisexual. Last relationship was with man that ended in 2010

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta told him moved to Montreal to get away from family and start anew.

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
    #magnotta didn't get along with family. "nefarious pontificating."

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta described family as sanctimonious, pontificating and nefarious in their actions.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta voice was normal, not depressed, thought process mostly logical=when anxious, difficult to follow.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Anything to support he was schizophrenic that day? Not on the basis of consultation. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    Couldn't tell #Magnotta was schizophrenic based on the one interview Paris had with him. No evidence either he was doing bad things

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Based on the interview alone, did not present himself as someone who was suffering from such illness. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    No history of schizophrenia or bipolar affective disorder in report? No evidence of extended period of psychosis. #Magnotta

    Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
    Couldn't tell #Magnotta was suffering from schizophrenia. No evidence for it. No extended periods of psychosis. Didn't meet criteria

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Unstable mood did not meet criteria. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
    No evidence of chronic psychosis. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Best explanation was borderline personality disorder=highly unstable mood, relationships (clingy, fear of abandonment). #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Also pattern of widespread impulsivity. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    IE: Suicidal gestures, drug use, used to cut himself. #Magnotta

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
    Witness says also other things=unstable lifestyle, no firm attachments, history of prostitution. #Magnotta

    salimah shivji ‏@salimah_shivji · 1m1 minute ago
    Paris: Diagnosis that best explained the story #Magnotta presented was borderline personality disorder.
     
  6. Rayemonde

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    Sue Montgomery - Crown asks if Lin's phone recovered. Yes, it was at his Forest Hill apartment, Bourque says #Magnotta
     
  7. No_Stone_Unturned

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    Interesting:

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta did not hear voices.


    :thinking:
     
  8. No_Stone_Unturned

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    And "his" = JL's?
     
  9. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    According to the detective this morning, it was found in JL's apartment.

    Now I want to know where they found his keys. :thinking:
     
  10. No_Stone_Unturned

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    I'm starting to think that LM only met JL that very night. The night/day the two of them are seen entering LM's apartment and LM has the plastic bag over his arm.

    :thinking:
     
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    Trackpants, hoodies, and that stupid, ugly striped shirt.

    I also call BS. I think he was looking for meds.
     
  12. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says would rate #Magnotta was "mildly impaired" : had apartment, supporting himself, few relationships, not hospitalized recently.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta has pattern of being overly attached to people, then being abandoned and disappointed.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
    Witness says #Magnotta did not need change in meds because did not present signs of psychosis or bipolar disorder.

    Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
    Was referred to Borderline Personality Disorder unit at JGH #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 54s54 seconds ago
    #Magnotta is bent right over in the prisoner's box during this testimony. Doesn't seem to be paying attention

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
    Witness still not sure why #Magnotta came to see him. Did not ask for specific meds.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 26s26 seconds ago
    Were you to see him again? I would have been in charge of next stage of evaluation. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 41s41 seconds ago
    Paris suggested #Magnotta join the personality disorder program at JGH. Paris hoped to get psych records that spring to evaluate for prog.

    Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 57s57 seconds ago
    Crown asks for recess. #Magnotta

    suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s45 seconds ago
    Break in #Magnotta till 11:30
     
  13. Rayemonde

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    No way. If he was telling them that so they'd think he had bipolar disorder, they would probably have given him lithium. Lithium is NOT a drug that anyone abuses.
     
  14. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    It makes no sense that JL would arrange to meet a complete stranger at the McDonalds or Metro Station (which is it LM?) from an internet ad and not take his phone with him to this meeting.

    Didn't he work in a convenience store? Did he live above the store? How close was his apartment to LM's? And what about these phone calls that were supposed to have been made from JL's phone on the 24th/25th to Vancouver? The plane ticket? Why is all this being eluded to and not being brought up in a coherent fashion? Just like Emile Lacroix

    So frustrating. :gaah:

    MOO
     
  15. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    There was one tweet about the fact that the defence had rested without the accused taking the stand. I'm thinking there may have been an attempt. But perhaps he only wanted to talk about his mental illness and not about the murder. Which in turn would not allow the Crown to ask about it on cross. So perhaps they hashed out the possibilities for a couple of days, LeClair tried to prepare him and then aborted the idea yesterday? The press seemed to indicate some "very interesting" testimony was coming after the legal arguments on Friday. So I think it just may have been a possibility but the defence decided against it.

    MOO
     
  16. Rayemonde

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    Why didn't Paris take LM off the TWO antipsychotics LM said he was on if he thought LM had been misdiagnosed?
     
  17. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    The whole episode with Dr. Paris resulted from his trip to the clinic in which he complained that he couldn't sleep and had taken Temazepam in the past I believe. I think he was trying to get Temazepam from the clinic. Since he had such success with the clinic doctor that he followed around in Toronto by just telling him of his "history".

    The clinic wisely didn't just prescribe him the Temazepam, they referred him to Dr. Paris. So he keeps the appointment and tells him a bunch of stuff that is not consistent with what he has told other psychiatrists and even tells him that he is currently on medication. I thought I saw somewhere in the part of the report that was posted that Dr. Paris thought that he should continue on with the Paxil (which according to the other doctors whom he saw after the murder, he was not taking for 2 years). I guess since there was no reference that we could see about the Temazepam, and the Crown did not bring it up, that LM did not get it from Dr. Paris either? So where did he get it?

    And why was he looking for marijuana as well? Because he couldn't get the Temazepam? Or did he just like smoking a joint, drinking 4 glasses of wine, taking a Benedryl with a Temazepam chaser every night before bed?

    MOO
     
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    Antipsychotics are also given for anxiety, I know someone with BPD and anxiety who is on them.
     
  19. Kamille

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    He only told Dr. Paris about one that I'm aware of. Paxil?

    MOO
     
  20. Kamille

    Kamille Shine bright like a diamond

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    Here's the report that was posted. You can see that he was sent back to the referring physician for pharmacology. So is that back to the clinic doctor? Did he go back? Will we be hearing from that doctor?

    [​IMG]

    MOO
     
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