MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #5

[human]

Your are correct. Since they are both liars do we know for sure if Bella was in fact in the fridge? LE took it so hopefully we will find out eventually. I just hope MM cracks with the real story unless he is seriously telling the truth or believes it as the truth.

Could she have made up some story about what was in the bag to pacify him? He looks stupid and gullible. Maybe Bella was never in the fridge.

Drug addicts are quite good with their lies and storytelling.

Where would she be?

 

[epiphany]

Your are correct. Since they are both liars do we know for sure if Bella was in fact in the fridge? LE took it so hopefully we will find out eventually. I just hope MM cracks with the real story unless he is seriously telling the truth or believes it as the truth.

Could she have made up some story about what was in the bag to pacify him? He looks stupid and gullible. Maybe Bella was never in the fridge.

Drug addicts are quite good with their lies and storytelling.

When there's more than one Addict involved in these cases, it becomes very difficult for the Prosecution.

McCarthy doesn't look gullible to me. He looks like an addict IMO. Even, though Bond looks mean & angry: IMO, so what? Proves nothing.

He won't appear stupid-looking at trial. And she will not look as hardened at trial.

A MA jury will not convict Either on their looks anyway. Nor should they.

 

[human]

I read or watched JA say Bella said words like "kitty"

Yup. He said it but I don't believe it

 

[SwizzleStix]

I thought she says something in the birthday video or am I mistaken? I only watched it once with sound because the language and voice bugged the heck out of me. I thought she said something like "is that for me?"

Fwiw, my granddaughter didn't speak until 3. My son was the same way, but that was due to ear infections and fluid, he lost some hearing which made his speech delayed.

 

[Angelcolev]

I'm one of those who also believes RB has way more involvement than we currently know. I understand that what was said regarding MM's behavior/look in court is somewhat biased by the fact he looked like a lost, drugged out, confused person whereas IMO RB looks straight up evil and capable of this unthinkable act of what happened to Bella. However, he could also have been putting on an act to appear more confused, bewildered and what have you on purpose. I think, IMHO, the reason I am leaning towards thinking RB has so much more to do with this is her history... Losing two kids before, the narcissistic behavior in the birthday video, her sisters words about how angry she always was. Plus, this was HER child. If she could be so volatile with her own mother, sister, etc.. How am I supposed to believe all of a sudden, this heroin addict mama's boy had such control over someone who from most accounts, did whatever she wanted to do, and was pushy, brash and a bully. I'm just not buying she didn't have so much more to do with this than we currently know.

 

[Whiteorchids]

The sister said Bella had no words. Kids usually just look at a phone and don't talk.

I'm going by what JA said according to an article. It had been a longtime since Tamara had seen Bella due to the falling out so maybe she learned to speak a few words since the falling out. I don't know what to believe so many versions from different writers and reporters.

 

[epiphany]

I thought she says something in the birthday video or am I mistaken? I only watched it once with sound because the language and voice bugged the heck out of me. I thought she said something like "is that for me?"

Fwiw, my granddaughter didn't speak until 3. My son was the same way, but that was due to ear infections and fluid, he lost some hearing which made his speech delayed.

RBBM ^^

Yes, Bella did say something along those lines in the BD video.

Though, in this case, it would not be a surprise for her to have a speech delay given her environment.

 

[mrsward]

Bella will be buried with her fathers family ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248055/Bella-Bond-buried-father-s-family-claims-meth-addict-mother-held-1m-charged-death.html

 

[bluesneakers]

I agree with you. That woman is evil. My 4 year old accidentally saw the pic of her on here earlier today when I put my ipad down for literally 2 mins to do laundry. I come back in the room and my daughter is pointing at the picture and said "mommy who is that scary lady, is she a monster?" My jaw dropped. Lesson learned, never leave this site open with my 4 year old anywhere near me. Woops

This breaks my heart. When Bella needed care and comfort all she had was a monster.

What did you tell your daughter?

 

[Whiteorchids]

I'm one of those who also believes RB has way more involvement than we currently know. I understand that what was said regarding MM's behavior/look in court is somewhat biased by the fact he looked like a lost, drugged out, confused person whereas IMO RB looks straight up evil and capable of this unthinkable act of what happened to Bella. However, he could also have been putting on an act to appear more confused, bewildered and what have you on purpose. I think, IMHO, the reason I am leaning towards thinking RB has so much more to do with this is her history... Losing two kids before, the narcissistic behavior in the birthday video, her sisters words about how angry she always was. Plus, this was HER child. If she could be so volatile with her own mother, sister, etc.. How am I supposed to believe all of a sudden, this heroin addict mama's boy had such control over someone who from most accounts, did whatever she wanted to do, and was pushy, brash and a bully. I'm just not buying she didn't have so much more to do with this than we currently know.

Thanks for your great post. I agree. She was smart when she needed money. She fraudulently filled out lots of paperwork properly required with the state and federal government in order to get her free housing, money and health benefits. Her shelter, food, medical ins, and the extra welfare cash she used for drugs, car, gas, clothes, toys etc. all paid for. Wow, she got more for doing nothing but shooting up than I get working my arse off for almost minimum wage.

Anyway, MM may very well have killed her but possibly with RB's instruction to do so or else?? People that hire to murder are charged with murder even though they may have not laid a hand on them. Maybe RB is telling the truth but highly unlikely.

MM probably supplied her with the heroin she loved. That's why she kept him around. I don't think it was for his good looks and great personality. She used and manipulated him. She got off drugs recently according to MS so therefore she didn't need MM anymore, she was done with him. He had nothing to offer her. So she came up with the story to throw MM under the bus and hopefully be able to start a new clean life again with JA. After all JA left her because of the prostitution. Now she's all cleaned up and gained sympathy from JA by blaming MM. She was the victim in all this. Feel sorry for me. Poor me.

I also remember JA said he just wanted to be a family again. Family??? RB wanted JA back but had to come up with a real good story to get MM out of their lives take the blame off her.

 

[cvaldez1975]

where i live, she wouldnt even have had her clothes anymore, she would be dressed in the county greens.

or the orange ones if she is PC'd .

Why was RB allowed to have her hoodie up in Court? I didn't think hats etc were allowed on in courts.

 

[cvaldez1975]

or the flip... his mommy always helped him along and now he was along for the ride w RB telling him what to do.

It appears that Michael McCarthy's mother prob spent close to two decades (my guess is since his teenage years; he's 35 yo now) trying to keep him on the straight & narrow, assisting him when in legal trouble, trying to get him clean, etc. According to one of her neighbors, his mother passed away about 2 years ago.

That's close to 20 years of having his Mommy take care of him & his heroin addiction and what were likely other probs--legal, financial, criminal, health, social/emotional etc.

Of course RB looks mean, angry and hardened. She is. However...

Michael McCarthy is not IMO an altar boy. With his double chin and excess pounds, seems he found not only a place to crash (prob not paying her a nickel) and a female to have relations with, but a nice clean apartment and plenty of take-out fast food and no one to nag him!

My guess is he prob set himself up as her pimp-of-sorts. With Mommy dead, he finally got to run the show. Any show. He obvi didn't follow his Mommy's "orders." No reason to follow RB's commands. Even if I cut him a break, this mean-looking female didn't control this overweight heroin addicted 35 yo man-child.

Afraid of RB? Don't believe that for a second. Took orders from RB? Don't believe that either. With his Mommy gone & off his back, he finally could do as he pleased...and he apparently did. Totally.


<snip>

“He was an addict, a heroin addict,” she said. “She spent her whole life trying to stabilize him, trying to keep him out of trouble.”

But two years ago, McCarthy’s mother died, she said. Months later, McCarthy was evicted, and the former neighbor said he told her he would have to live on the streets.

https://www.bostonherald.com/news_o...mer_neighbor_recalls_accused_s_troubled_times

 

[giagreen]

And now I'm laughing because all that was taken from that was he doesn't have a job or license. Just jumped right over the drugs?? SMH

Anyway, like I said my point was in Bella's case it does seem people did reach out for outside help but with no results gave up.

Sorry. I didn't mean to offend you it just seems pretty petty to add in he is jobless and doesn't drive. Wow...better go get the kids.
You need to remember that what you think makes a bad parent doesn't make it neglect so cps really can't do anything with these calls. If drugs where involved with the children around then the cops needed to be called right then and there. No excuses. The guy would of at least went for a possession charge and there is the start to getting the kids from him.

But cps gets so many calls of mad people using kids as weapons to hurt the parents they can't just be like oh well we "heard" your selling drugs. That needs the attention of LE. All cps can do is drug test you. Even then there are ways around that. Fun fact....did you know that you don't even have to let CPS in your house if the caller stays anonymous? You don't even have to answer the door. It might be diffrent in other states but in mine you can go meet them at the court house if you want.

All these fingers pointing at people who are understaffed, underpaid, over worked, with all most little to no legal room to take a child. You can't just take someone's child on a gut feeling. Its nobodys fault that Bella died the way she did except for that sad excuse of a mother she was stuck with. Its sad. Its tragic. But its not anyone's fault but Rachelle's fault.

 

[Sonya610]

Could she have made up some story about what was in the bag to pacify him? He looks stupid and gullible. Maybe Bella was never in the fridge.

Do we really know she was in the fridge? Supposedly she died around the end of May, spent "a few days" in the fridge, and was discovered on June 25th....

If RB says the body was in the fridge for 5 days, and then the body sat in the ocean for over 3 weeks, can they estimate the date of death that closely especially with a submerged body?

Personally I doubt it. I bet MM's defense attorney will make a big issue of that in court and present experts that disagree.

 

[giagreen]

It's true about the revenge calls. My BIL is a retired ER Dr Hospital emergency was always busy on sun eve after parents would be returning the kids from mom or dads visitation weekend because of a little bruise here or there that was consistent with a fall or bump but the other parent thought it was from abuse thus trying to get the Drs to report them to CPS.

Oh its the number one call. Its sad how many people think cps is a weapon. They should be ashamed of them selfs for wasting such resources when some children actually need them. Half the reason they are over worked is cause of falsely accused parents. Its a two way street and it sucks.

 

[giagreen]

where i live, she wouldnt even have had her clothes anymore, she would be dressed in the county greens.

or the orange ones if she is PC'd .

Right! Where I live they don't care they haul you off in your jail outfit to ccourt. Half the time its all over a tv screen with the person not even leaving the jail.

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm not going round and round on this. If you are growing drugs and selling it out of your house, where there are children and don't have a job, and a suspended license to boot, there are HUGE red flags there that DFS clearly needs to look at. Giving a clear pass less than a month later is exactly why these children end up abused and neglected and sometimes dead. I am not blaming any individual worker, I praise them for their line of work. They are working under a defunct system and it repeats itself over and over again throughout every state. Do I have the solution? No. But I sure as heck give a darn enough to question it.
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[giagreen]

I'm not going round and round on this. If you are growing drugs and selling it out of your house, where there are children and don't have a job, and a suspended license to boot, there are HUGE red flags there that DFS clearly needs to look at. Giving a clear pass less than a month later is exactly why these children end up abused and neglected and sometimes dead. I am not blaming any individual worker, I praise them for their line of work. They are working under a defunct system and it repeats itself over and over again throughout every state. Do I have the solution? No. But I sure as heck give a darn enough to question it.
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I just don't understand. I mean if my sons father was selling drugs amd growing drugs around my child I'd call the cops before bringing my child back. He'd be in jail. Problem solved.

While he's in jail I'd go before a judge armed with his recent drug charges and get my placement of my child.

Why sit back wast time on phone calls and for cps to do what the other parent should of done. Why try and wast time trying to get cps to take your child from the other parent when you could do it at just one simple phone call to LE. This Is exacly why cps just can't take kids based on what someone says. It would be unethical. Every crazy baby mama would be calling cps saying the father is selling and growing drugs then. There comes a time in life where you don't care any more about what others think you just go and call the cops if its as bad as your telling cps it is.

 

[Amonet]

Thank you for taking the time to look at this again with me. I don't think that he knew for a week that Bella was dead.
Linked article quotes that after going back and forth for weeks, RB called JA and they spent the night at the beach where at some point she finally told him her version, which included her being threatened and held hostage by MM, and they discussed whether to go to the FBI or police. Remember she had been telling him that Bella was in Cape Cod so to him everything is starting to make sense and he is believing her "story." At the same time she texted MS that MM killed Bella, who contacted his sister, who contacted police.

Was it the next day they found the two of them at JA mother's house?

Worded differently than I've read before.a
http://www.nhregister.com/general-n...o-found-out-bostons-baby-doe-was-his-daughter

That article says:

"Finally, late last week, she made a horrible allegation: her boyfriend had killed Bella, convinced she was possessed by demons.Amoroso was with Bond, 40, when authorities picked them both up on Friday at his mother’s home north of Boston, he told the Globe. That day, Bond and her boyfriend were arrested for the girl’s murder."

So am I correct in remembering that MS, the tipster's brother, said that he was walking with Rachelle on Wednesday when Rachelle told him Bella was dead? He then texted MM (where was MM?) and MM replied that Bella was with DCF. MS then texted his sister (LS) and it was LS who actually contacted the police. Then the police would have had to get a warrant to go into Rachelle's apartment (Rachelle wasn't there, because she'd called JA on Wednesday night and they spent that night together?) Police found enough evidence there to want to talk with Rachelle and MM, and they talked to them all on Friday, picking up Rachelle and JA from his mother's home. So it might have been Thursday night that Rachelle told JA, but he says they spent about 24 hours together...and that would seem like it's the 24 hours prior to being picked up by the police at his mother's.

So the timetable there isn't perfect, but I think it fits reasonably, to within 24 hours either side. The next question I have is when did MM go to the hospital and how did that happen? I figured that the cops pulled him in and got their doctor to look at him (because he was probably drugged out when he was pulled in) and their doctor would have recommended the hospital check out his arms. I agree with the poster who said it doesn't seem likely that MM would go to the hospital on his own volition for those abscesses, because he's a junkie more concerned with getting a fix than the state of his arms, and also because he wouldn't want to leave Rachelle alone if there's a risk she's going to tell as soon as he's out of the way? However, JA says that Rachelle claims the only reason she could now tell anyone was because MM was in the hospital and no longer controlling her with the injections of heroin into her jugular. This makes it sound like MM went into the hospital before she told MS and before the police were even aware of Bella's identity.

 

[Amonet]

The sister said Bella had no words. Kids usually just look at a phone and don't talk.

The sister said that when she visited Rachelle in January this year that Bella wasn't talking at all. Yet on the 2nd birthday video Bella's talking fine. She's got the words and speaking very clearly, she just feels a little hesitant, maybe...possibly a bit scared of saying the wrong thing lest she get shouted at?

I suspect that she started talking just fine, and that between the 2nd birthday and January things were going downhill for Rachelle and the stress of how she was living made Bella revert to non-verbal, which I think happens to a lot of kids of that age when there are large changes happening with 'step-dads' moving in and out and a mother who's up and down in mood.

ETA there were two times I heard Bella speak in the 2nd birthday video. Once was when Rachelle was telling her to look at the table, "Look what mommy's done! Look!" Bella walks forward and says, "it's for *me*?" Later in the video Rachelle complains that the silly string is all over the place, then she says something to the effect of, "oh well, it'll clean up, and it's your birthday so it's acceptable", to which Bella says, "it's a-what?" I could understand her fine, and I can't always understand babbling babies.