GUILTY MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014 #2 *Appeal Filed*

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  1. zencompass

    zencompass Find the beauty within yourself and others

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    I just wanted to be clear that I would never initiate nor delve into discussions of how people feel about assisted suicide.

    The issue is private, personal and highly sensitive. I understand this completely.

    My argument is why her lawyers have brought this issue up as if it applies to what Michelle Carter did.

    No suicide-assisted law has passed in Massachusetts . However, for her lawyers to even suggest that the lack of such a law affected Michelle Carter's conviction is absurd (at least to me).

    But I will certainly want to hear others' opinions of how you feel about Michelle Carter's lawyers arguing that assisted suicide laws could apply to her actions.



    Assisted suicide bill dies in Massachusetts Legislature

    "BOSTON — .For at least the fifth consecutive legislative session, bills that would open the door to doctors prescribing lethal doses for terminally ill patients were dropped from consideration by the Public Health Committee."

    As public sentiment changes, some Mass. docs say 'no' to assisted suicide

    Two sides:

    "There are many physicians who are staunchly opposed to the idea of legalizing assisted suicide."
    "They maintain it directly contradicts the moral obligation of physicians to care for their patients, and that it makes patients vulnerable to a host of issues that proponents might not anticipate, such as problems getting coverage for treatment if insurance companies believe patients will not survive an illness, or being taken advantage of by family members who stand to gain in the event of the patient's death."


    "On the other side of the issue is Rep. Louis Kafka (D-Stoughton) a longtime proponent of legalizing assisted suicide and the sponsor of the House bill."

    "I look at it as [an option] for the person who chooses to end their life because of an illness that is terminal, and in their minds could be very painful, and under best circumstances will only allow them six more months," Kafka said in an interview in March.
     
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  2. Steleheart

    Steleheart WS Liaison Staff Member WS Liason

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    They can't have it both ways as reason for appeal. On the one hand they argue that she "wasn't present" at his death and words alone can't cause someone's death. Then they argue that no assisted suicide law exists. So if she wasn't there and wasn't responsible how was she assisting in his suicide?
     
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  3. zencompass

    zencompass Find the beauty within yourself and others

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    Brilliant reasoning, Steleheart.
     
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  4. The Farm

    The Farm Well-Known Member

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    I believe that is a sign that they are trying whatever they can to get her off.
     
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  5. Steleheart

    Steleheart WS Liaison Staff Member WS Liason

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    I agree. It's called desperate.
    It's the same technique I used as a child when my Mom caught me doing something "bad" - throw out several excuses along with a stupid argument and see if one sticks.
    Let's hope this Judge is as smart as my Mom.
     
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  6. cocomod

    cocomod Well-Known Member

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    Throw as much mud against the wall as you can and just home something sticks. Their mud stinks and she should be in prison. JMHO
     
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  7. zencompass

    zencompass Find the beauty within yourself and others

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    Well if the judge is as smart as Steleheart's Mom, there will be justice. Seriously we need to see some common sense .

    We can always hope.

    Justice for Conrad.

    I believe the SJC judges will see through this garbage appeal.
     
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  8. The Farm

    The Farm Well-Known Member

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    I initially thought that Judge Moniz would have but it took a turn. So she is free as a bird and wants out.
     
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  9. The Farm

    The Farm Well-Known Member

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  10. zencompass

    zencompass Find the beauty within yourself and others

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    Good morning, The Farm.

    Thank you for the link.
     
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  11. The Farm

    The Farm Well-Known Member

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    Happy 4th of July!!! And your welcome zencompass.

    I just tried to post another link and that one would not work so I just do not get this.

    Hot, hot, hot here today and has been for days. Wonder if Michelle is at the beach today?
     
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  12. Steleheart

    Steleheart WS Liaison Staff Member WS Liason

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    What is happening when you try to post a link? I merely cut and paste the URL and when I post it automatically changes to the web page title. As in This forum : GUILTY - MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014 #2

    You can also click the "link" icon next to the fonts in the header but it is unnecessary and redundant, IMO

    Cut & paste works for me.

    I imagine MC is lounging at her own pool being served like a princess.

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. The Farm

    The Farm Well-Known Member

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    Steleheart that picture says it all and it makes me remember how cocky she was and then when she realized she was going to be charged her demeanor changed into a little crybaby. What a difference.
    The cut and paste, many times when I right click it does not give me the option to cut. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.
    Just now I tried it on the URL on this page and the cut option did come up. Go figure???
     
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  14. MsJosie

    MsJosie Well-Known Member

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    I have not kept up with this case like most have. My questions are this...is the same Judge on the case though out this case? What happens next? She would almost be out of jail if she just did the time....not much time for he to serve for what she did. JMOO.Thanks
     
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  15. The Farm

    The Farm Well-Known Member

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    MsJosie...Judge Moniz who heard the case was set to retire shortly after. Her family has hired some big gun lawyers because this case will have much to do with how similar cases are looked at in the future of the same nature I would imagine.
    We are still waiting to see a date when she will return to court on her appeal.
    In the meantime she is at the beach while Conrad is 6ft under.
     
  16. MsJosie

    MsJosie Well-Known Member

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    Thank you....TheFarm. Family must have money and I wonder a lot of “pull”. Another spoiled child IMOO. I will not go on...some here feel the same way. I will keep up with this case. Again thank you.
     
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  18. Safeguard

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    To my mind, It's not "free" if it cost someone their life. Many times it's not clear, I suppose, but in this case it was, hense the guilty verdict.
     
  19. MsJosie

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    I keep thinking of her.....MC should have contacted authorities. She knew what he wanted to do, she encouraged him, but not once did she try to stop him by calling anyone for help for him when he was still alive or on that day. She needs to be charged with something. MOO she in another Affluenza product.
     
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    Yes... I think there are some aspects of Affluenza here, but to my mind, MC is SO much more Evil than EP...

    She diabolically plotted to end Conrad's life. And then relentlessly pursued that goal, day after day, night after night, in the coldest, most calculating, deceitful and driven manor.

    Even when he expressed doubts, changed his mind, ( which we see he did several times, including the eve before and the morning of his death! Not to mention getting OUT of the truck!!!), she doubled down on her persistence. *If I can just eradicate those pesky doubts, He could be dead before ya know it!*

    And then, when she had accomplished her goal, she put on a great show as a grieving, loving girlfriend, who said, in her own words, "I've never tried so hard to save somebody in my life!".

    I loath this creature, and those of her ilk. IMO No amount of money, privilege, and/or excessively lenient parenting can turn someone into whatever the hell MC is...
     
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