Found Deceased MA - Michael Doherty, 20, Franklin, 14 May 2017

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  1. Justmexyz

    Justmexyz New Member

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    I replied to your comments previously in the thread. Yes the parents are held responsible whether they are have knowledge or not. It occurred at their home.
     


  2. creepcrusher

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  3. msphilosopher

    msphilosopher Well-Known Member

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    HRP - I bolded a statement in the quoted post above. I am aware a prank is NOT by choice in terms of getting pranked but it IS a choice to take the challenge to go back to the house party as bolded in your above statement.

    My point was IF he was pranked, he didn't have to go back to the house party. If he got pranked and had any sense of where he was and according to your theory he did since he had the enough sense to go the right direction back towards the party. I'm saying choosing to go back to the house party as he found himself pranked in the woods was A CHOICE. He if had enough sense to go back the house party, he could have enough sense to say "screw it" and head the opposite direct towards his home.

    IF he was pranked and had the right sense of direction to the house party, I don't think he would have gone back.... He wanted to leave at 12:30 AM. So even if he found himself pranked, I think he would have headed home IMO

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    1:08 AM ping - The community tied a white ribbon to a tree near the entrance of the trial where they believe is NEAR where his phone was last pinged. But you're right not necessarily accurate as I did state in my post.<modsnip>

    12:30 AM Text - This shows his intent to leave. Whether he got pranked after this time or not, he wanted to leave so it is my belief that even if he did get pranked, he would have gone home. Or at least be found closer to his home rather than the house party.

    I have not eliminated the prank theory, I believe it's possible. I am simply stating the reasons IMO that go against the prank theory.

    HRP - Do you think the kids would hide this information of a prank gone wrong?
     
  4. JuniorSleuthy

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    Yes, some kids would hide facts if he/they caused another person to die!

    Did you not think that drugs Michael has never taken is involved in this situation? Judging from the type of person Michael appears to be, he would that have intentionally taken those drugs.
     
  5. msphilosopher

    msphilosopher Well-Known Member

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    You're implying the kids knew he was dead prior to the search.

    What I'm saying is once they found out he didn't make it home, wouldn't they come forward and say that he was pranked? The first thought wouldn't be death but maybe injured or passed out from drinking?
     
  6. Jessicaleanne1992

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    I haven't been able to check on this case for a few days. Have autopsy results been released or anything? Will they? Hopefully if drugs caused his demise they would be able to find out during his autopsy.
     
  7. JuniorSleuthy

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    Imply -- "(of a fact or occurrence) suggest (something) as a logical consequence". It is possible....

    No, they would not necessarily tell the truth if they caused his death.
     
  8. msphilosopher

    msphilosopher Well-Known Member

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    They didn't know they caused his death if this was a genuine prank?
     
  9. Steleheart

    Steleheart Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I have seen that tox results usually take 6- 8 weeks. And when "no foul play is suspected" we can expect a longer time frame and possibly never made public.+

    JMO
     
  10. abricru

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    That's one thing I can certainly agree with. Nowadays people are so much more aware of the dangers of alcohol and drugs. When I was growing up, the drinking age was 18. I didn't want to say this in my comment, but drinking and driving was pretty much the norm with a lot of people (including me, sad to say.) Same goes for drugs.

    One thing I can't explain is why he decided to take that way home in the first place. Maybe he was more intoxicated than his friends let on.

    Also I wonder how long the poor boy stumbled around like that. I guess we have no way of knowing. Must stop dwelling on that thought. Too upsetting. I just feel so sorry for him :(

    PS; I wonder how he got to the party? Did he walk, or ride with friends?
     
  11. abricru

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    Yes, I don't even know why it's called "Impractical Jokers. It's more like America's Funniest Videos, but most of the time people end up getting hurt, and the stupid host and panel laugh their a**es off. EDIT: so sorry I was thinking of Ridiculousness.
     
  12. HRP

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    I don't think a young man who was pranked, a young man who is bright and, being an engineer student, would take the longest path back to safety in the dark, in a Nor'Easter storm, swamp, mud, marsh, snapping turtles, leeches, muskrats, slippery rocks, tangled mud weed, and green slime covered tree debris.

    He'd take the shortest route back to safety and to the party house to clean up and maybe knock some heads around for being pranked. I say this too because, as I mentioned before in an earlier comment, perhaps the person(s) who pranked Michael had a good understanding of the layout of Maplegate Country Club's golf course. The tracking dogs tracked Michael's scent to Maple Street from the edge of Mine Brook. The area between Maple Street and Mine Brook is the golf course. Tracking dogs can track the scent of a person even if they are in a car being driven to a location. Perhaps Michael was driven into the golf course area and dropped off at the end of the course (which is near Mine Brook).

    Now why would Michael, once realizing he had to cross a swamp (from the Bellingham side/Maplegate Country Club side) decide to trek it all the way to Catherine when he could cross over the brook and follow it (on the Franklin side of the brook) and get cleaned up (and some aid from cuts, etc) and some clean clothes to get home for Mother's Day celebration with some explanation why he was late home (and not looking like he was tossed into a swamp).

    Think about it--he "played by the rules" as his 21-year-old friends said. His friend looked for him 8 times in the same location wondering why he wasn't there.

    Michael may have tried from the marsh area to get ahold of his brothers early on into this "nightmare" (as one of his 21 year old friends called it) and that may have been the 1:08AM ping from the marsh area.

    As for being pranked (and not wanting to upset my parents by my condition), and only speaking from my experience when I was pranked--I had gotten injured by this prank and I actually had my friends drive to a neighbor's house (who was a doctor) so he could patch me up so I'd be "presentable" to my parents who would have been upset for the situation I had been placed into.
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    As for the 1:08AM time of which you speak, I think you need to reread this comment (link below). You see, I was addressing another poster who brought up a reporter tweet error by the tweet stating a "fact" from a "belief" of the entrance point.

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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Franklin-14-May-2017&p=13403750#post13403750

    Edited to answer your question: HRP - Do you think the kids would hide this information of a prank gone wrong?

    Yes. It would also be why the phrase "no foul play" has been hammered, it appears, in every report---even from early on. A prank gone wrong, from what I have found (I gave an example in an earlier comment) seems to be stated as "no foul play".

    If Michael was pranked it may even be buried. The thing is, if there is an understanding this was a botched up prank, legally what can be done by the State? It would be up to the parents, I would assume. Unless there is some pranking gone wrong law that was broken. It wasn't a hazing issue. I think it's up to Michael's parents to pursue legal retribution or some kind of justice. If they don't want to, then what can be done? Drinking underage may cause some issues because Michael was under age. If they find drugs in his system, then who put them there--they'd say he took them himself (which I do not believe he'd do).

    The parents of the girl (who was pranked and drowned in a swamp) pursued wrongful death suits against the parents and the kids involved and it was settled out of court. I had a link to this but it was deleted by the mod, so I won't put it up again.
     
  13. MissSuzie

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    Given the dearth of information (confirmed facts) that are known to the public in this case, I don't have an opinion on the 'prank' hypothesis, other than that it is well considered and that it seems as plausible as some other scenarios. However, the above part of it confused me. Many accounts have given the time of the text to his brothers as 12:30, and no other text or call to them near 1:08 has been reported (that I'm aware of) nor did the parents, in their media statement, mention a follow-up to the 12:30 text. Does a ping require that a call or text be sent, or received, or can a ping not also just be the phone establishing connectivity to a network. With little power left in phone, it may have been shut off to conserve what little power was left and then he turned it on in marsh area when feeling desperate and with hopes that either he could still send a text or see on a map the area where he was.
     
  14. HRP

    HRP New Member

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    Your comment indicates no confusion, imo. Also note, neither does my comment (note the bolded underlined):

    Originally Posted by HRP [​IMG]
    Michael may have tried from the marsh area to get ahold of his brothers early on into this "nightmare" (as one of his 21 year old friends called it) and that may have been the 1:08AM ping from the marsh area.
     
  15. DatelineFan

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    I don't know what happened to Michael, but I really don't think a prank is involved.

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  16. HRP

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    Why do you rule this possibility out, may I ask? Do you think he crossed the brook/swamp area once and walked through the golf course to Maple Street in Bellingham and then turned around and walked from Maple Street through the golf course to trek again across the swamp/brook to walk in the marsh area back to the party house area? What are your theories or thoughts on what happened.
     
  17. DatelineFan

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    I don't have a solid theory. Certainly no theory of mine seems more plausible than a prank. So I can't say I completely rule it out. To be honest with you, I'm thinking about my college partying days. We certainly teased each other and did some silly things, but no real pranks. That's my source.

    I can be very succinct in my posts, so sometimes I might come off as rude or dismissive. I didn't mean to sound that way. I guess a prank just doesn't resonate with me. But like I said, I don't have a solid theory. None of this makes sense to me unless he was on drugs or self harm was involved. And I don't have evidence of those possibilities either.

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  18. LaneGirl

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    Not the person you were addressing but some alternate theories...

    Drugs
    Inebriated
    Hypothermia
    Any three of these alone or any combination could cause him to be disoriented, confused, hallucinating and lost.

    If it was a prank, those dismissing alternate theories I mentioned above, wouldn't he make it back to the house or home once he was tired or realized it was a prank? What specifically went wrong in the prank that stopped him? LE have said no signs of foul play so he wasn't restrained that they could observe.
     
  19. HRP

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    I didn't think your comment was rude or dismissive, not at all. Tone can only be created by the reader, so I took it as an opportunity to ask you for your thoughts with an inquisitive outlook.

    IMO, An innocent prank gone wrong seems the most logical explanation for where Michael ended up being found--and I like to see Michael as a bright, strong, determined young man who almost made it to safety.

    The thing that bothers me--if a prank gone wrong--is if it was a prank, and Michael was supposed to be in a certain area (where perhaps his friend looked 8 times to see if he were there)--did the search teams know where Michael was supposed to be too? And if his friends searched that morning, May 14th, at 10:30AM, did they search that area 8 times? (Meaning Michael was heading back to them and not into Bellingham). Did they tell this, if so?

    So many unanswered questions. All of which may never be fully disclosed. It may be hushed and kept quiet, if an innocent prank gone wrong because if the families are friends, and their boys were, then why disrupt their lives with wrongful death lawsuits (if applicable).

    All speculation...of course.
     
  20. HRP

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    What went wrong with the prank is that he crossed among snapping turtles, swamp weed, slippery rocks, icy cold water, and walked in mud which suctions your feet and legs tight until you pull them out.

    He may have died from all of which you listed, in combination, or from simply hypothermia.

    But it would seem very likely--he had some kind of injuries, too. They may not have defined them as "trauma"--but if you ever walked in a swamp area around here during the day on a sunny day--you lose your footing, after you lose your shoes from the mud suction, and snapping turtles are vicious if you disturb them.
     
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