MA MA - Rapheal Teken, 37, Eric Weissman, 31, & Brandon Mess, 25, Waltham, 12 Sept 2011

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  1. bourne

    bourne "The truth shall set you free." ~JUSTICE FOR REBEC

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    "The most intriguing nugget from the big Boston Globe profile of the Tsarnaev Brothers (the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston Marathon attack) is this one:

    Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

    Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.
    Nobody states that there's a connection, but obviously now everyone's wondering if there is one.

    The murders were a big deal at the time, due to the disturbing, grisly nature of the crime."

    http://www.businessinsider.com/murd...ston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2013-4

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    "Tamerlan, by contrast, had seen his share of troubles.

    Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend.

    Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved.

    Tsarnaev hadn’t been to Allan’s Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in years, instead going to another nearby boxing gym.

    Until this month.

    Allan, who is currently traveling in Thailand, said he got an e-mail within the past week saying Tsarnaev showed up at the gym acting rude and disrespectful, using other people’s equipment, walking on the mats with his shoes.

    “It was a clear indication that something was up,” Allan said. “He was becoming a complete [expletive].”

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html

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    IMO, it is highly curious that the bodies of the best friend of suspect #1 TT along with two other men were discovered on September 12th, 2011. The date is interesting since the three dead bodies were found on Sept. 12th which could very well mean that they were actually murdered sometime before then, perhaps even on the infamous date of terrorism, September 11.

    Pure speculation: Perhaps these unsolved murders were not drug-related as the cops seem to think and more in line with someone with radical extremist views having been insulted in some way and lashing out at these men. Perhaps TT was involved in the murders of his "best friend" and two other men in 2011. Perhaps that's why TT suddenly changed gyms after the murders... Again, pure speculation.
     
  2. bessie

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    Three Found Dead in Waltham Home

    Waltham, Cambridge men identified as victims of triple homicide
    Boston Blotter: Waltham Trio Stabbed to Death
     
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    After murders neighborhood will never be the same
    Waltham murder victims all stabbed in neck
    Waltham authorities helpless in September investigation
    Video: Neighbor says victims were covered in pot
    by Ryan Grannon-Dall, September 13, 2011

    Video: D.A. says very graphic scene at site of 3 fatalities
     
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    Three Cambridge natives mourned after brutal Waltham murder
    MAP - 12 Harding St, Waltham, MA
     
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  8. AbbeyR

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    Copying my other post over here:

    I just googled this crime and read a few articles about it. It seems like the murder was originally thought to have something to do with drugs (marijuana), but that was later questioned, because both drugs and money were found at the scene. The news report says police thought it was targeted and more than one killer.

    What Really Happened On Harding Ave? - YouTube

    In these comments from 2011 about the other two men, several people question whether it was about drugs and one person wonders if it had anything to do with September 11, writing "Daniel Pearl come to mind?"

    http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/cambridge/2011/09/14/did-you-know-eric-weissman-or-rapheal-teken/

    Who knows if the best friend story is true, and the date could be nothing more than a creepy coincidence.

    But, still.
     
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    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/murd...uspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2013-4#ixzz2R3tmkcjj
     
  11. Cajun Girl

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    It has been reported that Suspect #2 smoked pot. It has been reported that Suspect #1's behavior, after his failure in boxing, turned more towards studying his religion.

    No devout Muslim would drink, smoke or do drugs. If these 3 people were involved in bringing down his brother's quest to be a devout Muslim, slitting their necks (very personal) would send a sign to all what happens to those who derail a pure path. Covering their bodies in marijuana and leaving the money is proof (IMHO) this 'explains' the crime and it's justice.

    Moo
     
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    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...ger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html
     
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    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/marathon-bombing-suspect-i-dont-have-a-single-american-friend/
    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MA MA - Waltham Triple Murder, 12 Sept 2011
    The Mercedes could be a coincidence, but it's worth noting. I don't believe it was confirmed the other two men lived in the apartment at 12 Harding, but they were frequent visitors, according to other reports. So far I haven't seen where the two men were ID'd or questioned. I'm still researching.
     
  14. matou

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    There is a really large photo of Brendan Mess here:

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hroat-slit-unsolved-murder.html#ixzz2R46H1rfE
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    http://waltham.patch.com/articles/did-waltham-murder-victim-know-marathon-bomber
     
  16. AbbeyR

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    Okay, so:

    -Who gets murdered over selling pot?

    - If it were about say, a drug deal gone bad, why would drugs and $5000 be left behind?

    - But lets say it was: Would a drug dealer kill three people in such a violent way? Would he bring someone along to help?

    - What are the odds that three people have their throats slit on the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 by two people... and they just happen to be friends with a pair of murderer terrorists who talk a lot about 9/11?

    Scary.
     
  17. Cajun Girl

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    You could almost turn the most logical thought inside out. What if these murders were related to 'proving' you were ready join a society--someone that needed 'proof' you were willing to become a real member of a radical branch. A foreign version of being 'jumped in.'

    Just thinking out loud here.
     
  18. jjenny

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    Covering bodies with pot and money screams "revenge" to me. Sending a message.
    Drug deal gone bad-not so much. Why would someone upset about drug deal leave pot on the bodies? They would take this pot if it was about pot, not throw it around.
     
  19. Beyond Belief

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    I wonder if they were supplying to someone who ended up dead for some reason.
     
  20. bessie

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    Agreed. I didn't know the date of the triple murders when I started researching the incident, and you could've knocked me over with a feather when I read September 12. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist, but it's not easy to brush off the date as coincidence considering the other circumstances.
     

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