Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #19

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  1. Quietey

    Quietey Well-Known Member

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    Just googled body language interlaced fingers out of interest and looked briefly at a few pages. This page (13 Revealing Body Language Hand Gestures) describes what FF is doing, and attributes a meaning to it as pasted below. FF really grips as 33:21 (after being asked was CB acting with someone) 33:52 and 34:03 (when being asked what he would do if client were lying). I'm surprised at his apparent lack of awareness of his body language, given his profession.

    10. Clasping hands, squeezing hands
    [​IMG]Clasping and squeezing hands together is a self-pacifying gesture. A person who does this is uncomfortable, maybe even nervous or fearful. He's trying to assure himself, “Everything's going to be alright.” A variation of this is rubbing the wrist.

    Clasped hands with interwoven fingers indicate great anxiety and frustration. That person is thinking, “Things are going really bad”. You better prepare yourself when you spot this.
     


  2. Anxala

    Anxala Well-Known Member

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    I think that speaks well for him, as a person, that he's not all polished and poised in the art of deception.

    Refreshing imo, particularly when you view it in the light of the historic bombasticity and condescension that accompanies this case.
     
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    redplanet Well-Known Member

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    Or hypothetically might be a photo (non-video)?
     
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    Did the sexta9 episode explain or hint at what these documents are that link NF, CB and the russians in the MM case? Could these be what FF found in Portugal? IMO I trust more HCW than a journalist. How could SF have seen these documents?! And where did she see them?
     
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    I am not sure if I find it refreshing. Perhaps I'd be glad if he is incompetent and doesn't help his client escape from prison ever again. (Even if CB is not involved in MM's case, which I doubt, he has proved himself a psycho pedo and rapist and his place is in jail for everything he has done)
     
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  7. haden

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    This is an old story. AT came up with detailed information in a newspaper interview, he described being in a house on the French-German border and being shown terrible videos that were for sale. He also described the character of his Frenchman similar to CB
    This newspaper article miraculously disappeared and AT did not even say a tenth of this in his PJ interview.
    I must say the whole story of CB and his farmhouse reminded me of AT story and I wondered if this was connected.
     
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  8. redplanet

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    If very hypothetically HCW has a photo or video made inside the flat but which does not show the camera operator, then it becomes necessary to look for evidence of other types (phonedata etc etc) to prove whether it was the suspect who made the photo/video, IMO.
     
  9. haden

    haden Well-Known Member

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    Very strange! I was also surprised by the body language of FF, it is completely different from him before. I was going to post about it last night but was too tired.
    I wonder what happened to him to change from his arrogance and self-confidence into this panicky state.
    Same time, HCW appears more methodical and confident.
     
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    Found this when I googled Bernard Alapetite. We know NF was involved in production. Could there be a connection? I wouldn’t rule it out.
    Wednesday, 10 May, 2000, 14:16 GMT 15:16 UK
    Child porn ring leader jailed
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    The leader of a child porn ring has been jailed in France's biggest paedophile trial.
    Bernard Alapetite, 47, who was charged with organising the paedophile ring, was sentenced to three years in jail by the court in Macon, south western France.

    He copied foreign child sex videos, featuring rapes of boys aged under 15, and sold them for 800 francs ($120) each.

    The court gave suspended sentences of between two and six months to more than 40 men found guilty of possessing the videos. Nine were found not guilty.

    An accomplice of Paris publishing house boss Alapetite was given a four-month suspended sentence, and two filmmakers were fined.



    BBC News | EUROPE | Child porn ring leader jailed
     
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    He was also known as the Frenchman, but apparently, he had an alibi for the dates MM was taken
     
  12. haden

    haden Well-Known Member

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    I remember the AT interview, it was in a Spanish newspaper. Someone posted a photo of it online and it was translated.
    He said he followed the Frenchman's traits for some time, that he is a very dangerous individual, cold blooded and that he acts alone. He said that the Frenchman invited him to his home in Germany thinking he was a video buyer. AT said he felt extremely scared and uncomfortable in Frenchman's house and that he was shown absolutely terrifying materials that hunted him later.
    AT reported this group of people to police and they were all cleared by the court. AT got bitten up badly for his doing. He also said the group met usually at a bar in Seville and that they all have houses in the mountains around.

    I am somehow sure that at least parts of this story are true and that they have something to do with CB!

    [​IMG]

    This is the photo of the Frenchman.
    This is AT's description of him:
    Toscano said The Frenchman was white, thinly built and around 5ft 7in tall. He has blond short hair and is in his late 40s
     
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  13. buggiegirl

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    I just read something from way back when CB first came into our consciousness and it was saying he knew something only the abductor would know, so this could very well be true.
     
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    Can you tell more exactly what that has that to do with CB, haden?
     
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    I believe HCW has access to several days data for all calls and txts which connected via all PdL masts IMO, yet he has mentioned no other activity of 912730680 apart from theone single incoming call. Strange. Is HCW sure this was CB's phone number? If so, how can he be so sure, without having any other calls or txts to provide verification?
     
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    Red, Herr Wolters said before he needed the caller to put CB's number in his hand. Yesterday he conceded at "Sexta às 9" he still doesn't have that info. Conclusion: that number isn't in CB's hand forensically speaking.
     
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    I edited it and posted it above.
    It was AT's description of the Frenchman that doesn't match his photo. It sounds more like CB. I don't believe AT went to Germany! I think there is more in this story and AT either got the wrong information or made it sound different to cover the traits.
    Toscano said The Frenchman was white, thinly built and around 5ft 7in tall. He has blond short hair and is in his late 40s

    The real Frenchman is chubby and has dark brown hair.

    I will eat my hat if SY did not investigate ATs story thoroughly and that led them to the current findings.
     
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  18. haden

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    And this is something that hasn't been shared publically and that they don't need to ask Madeleine's parents if it was true.
    I wonder what that is?
     
  19. MENDEL

    MENDEL Well-Known Member

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    You may be right. But hair can be dyed and 5"7 or 1.70m tall (average) and late forties doesn't look like CB in 2007 or before either.
     
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    I presume something taken from the apartment, or maybe done to the apartment. Could be something as simple as “I broke that chair arm when I tripped in the dark” or something the McCann’s reported was taken, other than Madeleine, that they were asked not to make public.
     
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