Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #35

[Mex]

BIB. Are there any examples of where this strategy has ever worked to get someone to confess a murder?

I've generally only heard of it in terms of cooperation agreements (US), or people who plead guilty

Are there people who confess to a murder they've not been charged with?

In answer to your question, I think there are some people with mental health issues do this.

 

[C.greek]

I'm not able to tell the real treatment I get because I don't have the right words for it.
I'm almost sure that some other persons in my situation, under all the pressure, the insults and the threatenings (sic) would have capitulated a long time ago.
They would have asked where they can sign the death judgement.

I even have to ask for the weekly jam and margarine that other inmates get automatically.
It is against human rights to get isolated for such a long time and in this way. Not even Goebbels and his war crimes friends were isolated like me when they were awaiting their death penalty in Nuremberg prison.

Will this become kinder for him?! He is the one who is claiming (or bluffing?!) but also saying I'm tough as old boots.
Will he really hold firm "just some more years"?

It's interesting the change of tone in his letters...

 

[JB1510]

That may be true, but if you've delged into JC's previous writings, it's pretty clear that he thinks CB is involved in other cases, including Joana Cipriano. I'm not defending that position, just explaining where his claims/theories are originating from. And probably where his theory about finding multiple bodies came from. It's nothing to do with police intel IMO, he's just (poorly) speculating about what they might find there because he sees this as a significant move. JMO.

Yes I just think he was hoping that closure was imminent for the families after all this time (JMO) . I know JC isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but you know his heart and mind are in this case.

 

[C.greek]

Just putting this again out there... now with a source linked

"Wolters confirmed that they will be making an announcement about the results of the dig soon.

Yet he suggested that his investigation team may not have discovered any crucial evidence just yet.

Speaking to The Mirror, Mr Wolters said: 'We will issue a short press release. But please don't expect too much, especially nothing spectacular.' "

Madeleine McCann police 'to give samples update tomorrow'

Investigators leading the hunt for Madeleine McCann last week searched the remote Barragem do Arade reservoir in the Algarve and found a 'relevant clue'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I am wondering whether he will just say something along the lines suggested by superdad above or whether they would say we didn't find what we were searching for, therefore we plan on searching in other areas frequented by our prime suspect... jmo

 

[Mex]

Very last sentence of the article.

Let's wait and see.

If it can be proved that CB was in that location on the days following MM's disappearance that is very powerful stuff well justifying the search even if only for elimination purposes.
I agree, time will tell.

 

[Tekno]

Is the memento anywhere mentioned in the pj files?

As far as I know, no. In JC’s book he talks about a sim card found at the box factory and which belonged to a guest at the OC. Perhaps further analysis by the BKA, tracked the sim to 5A. IMO.

 

[SuperdadV8]

It's interesting the change of tone in his letters...

Assimilated the strategy of his lawyers very quickly. To avoid substantive arguments, just crying out paroles like unfair proceedures, torture and so on. Playing time on procedural matters. Beating around the bush. Asking more questions instead of giving answers....

Very transparent behavior.

 

[C.greek]

Assimilated the strategy of his lawyers very quickly. To avoid substantive arguments, just crying out paroles like unfair proceedures, torture and so on. Playing time on procedural matters. Beating around the bush. Asking more questions instead of giving answers....

Very transparent behavior.

I really cannot believe he is talking about torture when he has inflicted so much violence and pain to children and women in his life (and convicted for -some- of that or charged at least now for some more). His torture is that he needs to ask for jam and butter?! What a despicable person

 

[Mex]

That may be true, but if you've delged into JC's previous writings, it's pretty clear that he thinks CB is involved in other cases, including Joana Cipriano. I'm not defending that position, just explaining where his claims/theories are originating from. And probably where his theory about finding multiple bodies came from. It's nothing to do with police intel IMO, he's just (poorly) speculating about what they might find there because he sees this as a significant move. JMO.

So there is a history to JC's statement about other bodies which doesn't emanate from a new source but from his own historic research and informed opinion.
When you think about it - a very logical explanation.

 

[Pixie Child]

This is the JC podcast. The other thing I picked up was that BP & his wife seem to be good people.

Murdered Missing Unsolved

A true crime podcast presented by Donal MacIntyre as he tackles live investigations and discusses compelling cases with a range of experts and those searching for answers and justice.

mmupodcast.buzzsprout.com

 

[Mex]

I'm not able to tell the real treatment I get because I don't have the right words for it.
I'm almost sure that some other persons in my situation, under all the pressure, the insults and the threatenings (sic) would have capitulated a long time ago.
They would have asked where they can sign the death judgement.

I even have to ask for the weekly jam and margarine that other inmates get automatically.
It is against human rights to get isolated for such a long time and in this way. Not even Goebbels and his war crimes friends were isolated like me when they were awaiting their death penalty in Nuremberg prison.

Will this become kinder for him?! He is the one who is claiming (or bluffing?!) but also saying I'm tough as old boots.
Will he really hold firm "just some more years"?

I think he will hold firm. After following the discussion, I tend to pay attention to those of the opinion that he might be amenable to a bit of bartering for his own ends. Bit contradictory of me I know, but he likes his creature comforts.

 

[JB1510]

So there is a history to JC's statement about other bodies which doesn't emanate from a new source but from his own historic research and informed opinion.
When you think about it - a very logical explanation.

There is some info on the podcast @Pixie Child just posted of CB‘s
Westfalia spotted close by to where JC disappeared on the same day but it gets played down by whom JC was talking too , a senior figure iirc.I think it’s on the last two episodes ?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Westfalia spotted close by to where JC disappeared on the same day but it gets played down by whom JC was talking too , a senior figure iirc.I think it’s on the last two episodes ?

Yes that was reported, I've read that in another forum in 2018 before CB have been brought to the media attention.
Strange camper van with German number plates, spotted close by and then a week later found abandoned close to PdL...also a black limousine seen in the area...

 

[franzbiberkopf]

"Wolters stated that if no relevant evidence is found, a statement will be issued promptly. However, if the investigation yields positive results, the announcement might be delayed."

A 'very relevant clue' found in the search for Madeleine McCann in Portugal

Nearly 16 years after Madeleine McCann's disappearance, there may be a significant development in the case. Collaborating with the German authorities, Portuguese officials conduc

www.marca.com

"Wolters confirmed that they will be making an announcement about the results of the dig soon. Yet he suggested that his investigation team may not have discovered any crucial evidence just yet. Speaking to The Mirror, Mr Wolters said: “We will issue a short press release. But please don't expect too much, especially nothing spectacular.”

Madeleine McCann cops to give update on results of mysterious dig at reservoir

German police investigating the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann spent days scouring land by the Arade Dam last week, using sniffer dogs, radar and search teams

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[frank-cole]

Excellent as always. Again, my opinion too. Just the last sentence, I was intrigued, do you really think her remains will ever be found even more years from now?
''The child is dead now and that's it''. ''You can make a corpse disappear quickly!"
Dispose and/or make disappear?...

Thank you. When bragging about killing a female toddler he said ‘Ah, when the traces left behind are destroyed’. I think it’s possible he may have burnt the remains & they’ll be very hard to find, but I do think traces can he found if they’re directed to them or somebody comes forward who has been told (by CB) exactly where they are. But IMO I doubt anybody other than CB knows where they are. One reason I think there’s a chance of finding remains is because i think he would have disposed of the body before calling his friend the next day to re-register his car. I don’t think he’d be covering his tracks (vehicle registration) before clearing the crime scene & disposing of remains (horrible to say). He was also having a fling that week which makes me think MM’s remains were disposed of very quickly & he (psychopath) went back to spend the week with his fling. If the body was left intact then perhaps he’d have move her but IMO it’s unlikely he’d have taken that risk. So IMO traces could be found in a location that he was familiar with.

He’s a narcissistic psychopath but when he’s all out of options I think it’s possible that when presented with something that’ll be of benefit to him he may confess. But IMO there’ll be a lot of moaning letters & prison cell tantrums before that day comes.

Just speculation. Do you think they’ll ever find forensics?

 

[misty48]

Media has reported that BKA have other areas of interest, identified from photos, to search. Would it be correct to assume that these are not in Portugal, given the haste with which the Arade dam exercise was wound up & there are no reports of anything happening elsewhere in Portugal?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Just speculation. Do you think they’ll ever find forensics?

Seems like, the prosecutors do see a chance, otherwise they wouldn't check out whereabouts and start digging holes and trenches.

The chances to burn a body completely to ashes without temperatures used in a crematory are low.

But i'm conviced, they won't find her remains until sombody with knowledge will confess, to be honest. CB wrote about destroying evidence, not just getting rid of it. We'll see....

 

[SuperdadV8]

Seems like, the prosecutors do see a chance, otherwise they wouldn't check out whereabouts and start digging holes and trenches.

The chances to burn a body completely to ashes without temperatures used in a crematory are low.

But i'm conviced, they won't find her remains until sombody with knowledge will confess, to be honest. CB wrote about destroying evidence, not just getting rid of it. We'll see....

And just to emphasize my opinion. Don't forget about the occasion, he made that statement. The panikspatz66 chat.

Don't forget the reaction of panikspatz. The ominous "MM" answer. No native german speaker would use that phrase whilst trying to express the thoughtful mood. It would have been "HMM" oder just "HM".

It wasn't the verbal expression of a mood, like "argh" or "blah, blah" or maybe "rofl". It must have been an abbreviation. CB boasted more than once about knowledge according to MM in public. Just imagine what he may have boasted around with in his vile paedo clubs....

 

[frank-cole]

Just putting this again out there... now with a source linked

"Wolters confirmed that they will be making an announcement about the results of the dig soon.

Yet he suggested that his investigation team may not have discovered any crucial evidence just yet.

Speaking to The Mirror, Mr Wolters said: 'We will issue a short press release. But please don't expect too much, especially nothing spectacular.' "

Madeleine McCann police 'to give samples update tomorrow'

Investigators leading the hunt for Madeleine McCann last week searched the remote Barragem do Arade reservoir in the Algarve and found a 'relevant clue'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I am wondering whether he will just say something along the lines suggested by superdad above or whether they would say we didn't find what we were searching for, therefore we plan on searching in other areas frequented by our prime suspect... jmo

IMO given the time it would take to move the material, await any backlog the forensic service have (there will be horrendous crimes in Germany that need forensic results quickly) & then testing all of the material - I certainly don’t think they’d be able to turn the results around in such a short space of time. I’d be doubtful if they’ve even reached the front of the queue for testing yet. I can’t see the results being turned around atleast for a fortnight unless they were looking for something very specific that could be corroborated very quickly.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Thank you. When bragging about killing a female toddler he said ‘Ah, when the traces left behind are destroyed’. I think it’s possible he may have burnt the remains & they’ll be very hard to find, but I do think traces can he found if they’re directed to them or somebody comes forward who has been told (by CB) exactly where they are. But IMO I doubt anybody other than CB knows where they are. One reason I think there’s a chance of finding remains is because i think he would have disposed of the body before calling his friend the next day to re-register his car. I don’t think he’d be covering his tracks (vehicle registration) before clearing the crime scene & disposing of remains (horrible to say). He was also having a fling that week which makes me think MM’s remains were disposed of very quickly & he (psychopath) went back to spend the week with his fling. If the body was left intact then perhaps he’d have move her but IMO it’s unlikely he’d have taken that risk. So IMO traces could be found in a location that he was familiar with.

He’s a narcissistic psychopath but when he’s all out of options I think it’s possible that when presented with something that’ll be of benefit to him he may confess. But IMO there’ll be a lot of moaning letters & prison cell tantrums before that day comes.

Just speculation. Do you think they’ll ever find forensics?

You are reading my thoughts...
- he may have burnt the remains & they’ll be very hard to find
- traces can be found if they’re directed to them or somebody comes forward who has been told (by CB) exactly where they are. This one, my doubt.
- I doubt anybody other than CB knows where they are.
- traces could be found in a location that he was familiar with.

I'm far from an expert but maybe it will be really difficult to find forensics..how he may have destructed, where he disposed, time factor...the first, maybe, the "stronger" one.