Magnotta diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, 2005 doctor’s letter reveals

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  1. Morbida

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    Thanks for this. Nobody wants to believe LM could genuinely be afflicted with a real mental illness, but I think the PS diagnoses explains a lot of his pre-murder behavior. That said, where the actual murder comes into play, I believe there is more to his psychosis than we (the public) know at this time.
     


  2. Mbshafeena

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    I believe he knew exactly what he was doing, the intent was there otherwise how do you explain the other man he lured a few days before and drugged and did a video of as well that the police found in the recorder he had thrown out in the garbage before he left. I just read online that there is also footage of him taking a live black and white puppy out at 4:37 a.m. and returning a few minutes later, more than likely after killing the puppy and putting the dog in the garbage as well. My husband's family, his mother (RIP) and his younger brother both battled Schizophrenia. I saw my mother-in-law off of her meds after her sister said to her "why do you take these meds, you don't need them". I was witness to this episode in her life and I don't believe she could have done what this bastard did, she wasn't coherent enough to be able to do everything he did, no way.
     
  3. Rayemonde

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    I've been reading up on Paranoid Schizophrenia, and I found this very informative transcription of a psychiatrist's testimony about Kip Kinkel the school shooter. It's a very different case to the LM case, but there's some good information about paranoid schizophrenia, hallucinations, delusions, pre-meditation and the possibility of malingering.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/trial/bolstad.html
     
  4. Rayemonde

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    And I just found this article that says when Magnotta was being pursued for the kitten killing videos, he hired a lawyer and told him that a man called Manny forced him to kill the kittens. LM claimed that Manny imprisoned him and beat him up, and he had no choice but to do as Manny said.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-bizarre-backstory-of-the-alleged-canadian-psycho-2012-6

    But now iirc Magnotta is claiming that Manny was voice in head and a symptom of his paranoid schizophrenia, not a real person - a type of command hallucination. If the jury believes LM killed JL to obey command hallucinations, they will still need to determine whether LM knew what he was doing was wrong, and whether he could have chosen NOT to obey the voices in his head.
     
  5. ATasteOfHoney

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    No doubt his main diagnosis is paranoid schizophrenia. Mix in a few personality disorders to boot & some street drugs & you have a cocktail of crazy!

    ....a ticking time bomb!
     
  6. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    The 'Manny' e-mails

    nyABUSEphoto.jpg

    Also within Magnottas list of abuse suffered at the hands of 'Manny' comes this classic :


    https://www.scribd.com/doc/96974925/Luka-Magnotta
     
  7. BorgQueen

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    About "Manny", didn't he have a website dedicated to how Manny is hurting Magnotta, setting him up, etc? Or has my memory failed me?
     
  8. Rayemonde

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    Documentary about schizophrenia. The narration is sensationalised, but there are some good interviews with people with schizophrenia and their families, including John Nash (who inspired the film A Beautiful Mind) and his son, who has sadly inherited his dad's schizophrenia.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv0b1unxUpM
     
  11. Rayemonde

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    http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...magnottas-mind/article4446492/?service=mobile

    "Mr. Magnotta’s three-member legal team did not request a psychiatric assessment after the small-time porn actor, model and escort pleaded not guilty to murder and four other charges connected to the May slaying. Instead, his lawyers asked the court to ensure the 30-year-old received his medication while in detention. A publication ban was imposed to prevent the media from reporting on the prescription drugs he is taking.
    . . .

    "Mr. Magnotta’s medical condition had been “very challenging” for his mother, Anna Yourkin, but she remained a “pillar of strength to him,” Mr. Scully told the court.

    Crown lawyer Anna Stanford added: “It is clear from the letter … that Mr. Newman has some significant psychiatric issues that may have contributed to his lack of judgment in these offences.”

    Mr. Magnotta’s mental state prompted Judge Marshall to reduce the community service included in his nine-month conditional sentence and one year of probation to a mere 20 hours from the 100 proposed by the Crown. She did so because she didn’t think he could cope with more as a result of his underlying medical problem".
     
  12. Rayemonde

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    Apparently the defence will be providing pre-recorded testimony from:
    " A Paris police officer who testified that Magnotta was in Paris prior to the murder and complained to police "that two guys raped him and stole from him.""
    http://www.sprucegroveexaminer.com/...describes-maggot-ridden-bag-at-magnotta-trial


    A long post from a LM sockpuppet on an online forum in August 2011 said, amongst claims of abuse by his family,
    I wonder if this was the same incident. But LM also claimed that "Manny" imprisoned and raped him, and contacted lawyer Romeo Salta about it in January 2011.

    On January 14th 2011 he wrote an e-mail to his lawyer that began "He is outside my house again, also he has been calling me. It has also come to my attention that my case is being investigated by the FBI and that several people are working on my story." (paranoid delusions?)

    On January 21st 2011 he wrote another e-mail to his lawyer further detailing his alleged rape, and said
    Sooo... he claims that he went to the police after "Manny" kidnapped him from Manhattan, and was put in the psychiatric ward. Then later he claims that he went to the police in "a foreign country" and was then held against his will because he was "so upset". We will hear testimony from police in France about him making a rape claim there - maybe this was the same incident, and maybe they held him against his will because they thought he was mentally ill and needed treatment.

    But then in December 2011, around the same time he posted online asking what kind of sedative works best, he posts as cutelittlenemo1 in several forums asking for dominant men to rape and abuse him in Arizona or Florida, where he says he will be spending a few days in January 2012.
     
  13. Rayemonde

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    August 2010 - LM writes an article arguing against the forced medication of psychiatric patients. He claims to work with mentally ill people.
    https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=282B6155E318AE58!4022&app=WordPdf&authkey=!ACID6C-KfaM1dy8
     
  14. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    Here's another one of his rants about his "evil family"

    I Hate My Family

    I hate my family. I never felt like I belong in this family at all. Everything they do annoys me, the way they walk, talk, and even breath.
    I just get so irritated with EVERYTHING they do. I can't stand them.....

    My entrie family are evil, maniulative trouble makers.

    ( Estrip article - 06/30/09 )

    http://lukamagnottadatabase.blogspot.ca/2012/06/i-hate-my-family.html?zx=3dabe26f5eac1844

    ^^ That Paris 'drugged & raped' story is exactly the same story he told RS happened in Miami.
    Right down to the phone call to his Mother from clinic/hospital. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    :wave: Raymonde have you read any of his 2009 'estrip' journal entries ?

    http://magnottafiles.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/a-theory-that-happens-to-match-facts.html
     
  16. Rayemonde

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    Maybe I got it wrong then, and the forum post about the phone call to his mother was about the Manny incident and not the Paris incident? Where did you read that he told his lawyer about his mother's phone call? In the emails he sent his lawyer he mentioned that his mother was also getting harassment about the cat killing videos, and he gives the lawyer his mum:s phone number so I got the impression he was on decent terms with her at the time. The defence is hoping to call several family members as witnesses BTW, should be interesting!

    I don't take anything LM posted online at face value, but since the French police will be testifying for the defence we now know LM did report a rape to the police, and presumably they were concerned about his mental health at the time. Maybe he really was sent to a psychiatric ward and held against his will at that time. Maybe the rape actually happened or maybe it was just another delusion of his, but it's building up a picture of serious mental illness over the years.
     
  17. Shimmers

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    Soooo if I understand it correctly LM was raped in 2010 in Paris. Well timeline wise that could match up. LM was in Paris in 2010, he was travelling with someone around Europe ( an older guy if i remember it correctly who didn't want to travel alone ). As what actually happened and what has been filed, it's only matter of time when that will be clearified.
     
  18. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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    OK ~ Now I'm totally confused :biglaugh:

    Is this is the same post ~ 'littlecutenemo1' ?


    Then this is from e-mail to RS about 'Manny Kidnapping' incident :



    From ^^ Spruce Grove article about witnesses

    :confused: :gaah:

    To me Miami is a "forign city" Wouldn't a Canadian also think of it as one ?

    But this is the first I've heard about whole Paris thing.

    ** Also interesting that Dr. Joel Paris is on witness list **
     
  19. Little Jedi

    Little Jedi "I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equa

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  20. Rayemonde

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    Eh,I suppose we'll learn soon enough about this alleged rape incident so there's no point trying to unravel it ourselves! I just thought it was interesting when I saw that the French police were testifying for the defence, and my first thought was that he went to the police, they thought he was insane and held him in a psychiatric ward. And my second thought was, maybe this had happened to him before - he gets some bizarre idea into his head, goes to the police (or the press) and ends up in a mental hospital. I assumed that the Manny incident was a separate incident. But we'll know soon enough :) I bet his psychiatrist will have plenty of stories to tell!

    ETA it's not all all unlikely that he really was raped too, working as a prostitute as he did and advertising on the internet, and perhaps he just embellished the details (either intentionally for attention or because his delusional mind truly believed the embellishments). It's a very high risk thing to do, working as a prostitute, especially if you have a serious mental illness that could make you more vulnerable (I know it sounds ridiculous to call him vulnerable after what he did to poor JL, but I hope you understand my meaning - certain people might see that LM was not in his right mind and decide to take advantage. This does not at all excuse what he did to JL, who was completely innocent of any wrongdoing and was killed in a premeditated way by being lured and then drugged, not in self-defence).
     
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