Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #13

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  1. Chilly Willy

    Chilly Willy New Member

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    Just a guess here, but I think it's probably intentional that the tracking systems can be disabled, for instance if a country suddenly found itself under attack by another country, they wouldn't want the attacking country to be able to track and shoot down their passenger planes.
     


  2. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    The way I'm interpreting it is, the flight PLAN was changed prior to the voice contact, the TURN made after:

    1. before/by 1:07 flight plan changed (detected with 1:07 ACARS message)
    2. 1:19 last voice contact "all right, good night"
    3. 1:21 transponder cuts out - 1:21-1:28 course change detected
    4. 1:30 controllers lose contact
    5. 2:15 Malaysian Military radar spots plane off course
    6. *Not on this map, military radar also last tracks plane at more NW point (see radar maps upthread)

    Latest timeline map, again:

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  3. 21merc7

    21merc7 New Member

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    Well, I am as I have never "felt" it was intentional. The next thing I know, I am hooked on one simple video link that had many on the side, about plane accidents. It is usually something to do with the plane, unless it is a bomb. Very simple stuff, a piece of metal wore down, a piece of wire got hot, wrong part (yeah, I've done that with my car and internet part ordering), and so much more. I'll hook you up, watch these videos:

    Someone linked this specific video, but there are many, and each one is a different cause that is very simple and sad. ( ETA:Fixed video that got me started link.)

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U9Vu-i8_uE"]The Swissair Flight 111 Aviation Accident - YouTube[/ame]
     
  4. Chilly Willy

    Chilly Willy New Member

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    Thank you so much. I think I've got it now. Doesn't mean I'll still have it tomorrow though.
     
  5. Chilly Willy

    Chilly Willy New Member

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    The video you posted is about pilot suicide - an intentional and criminal act. What am I missing?
     
  6. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes All the boys think she's a spy...

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    Missing MH370: Chinese Families Demand 'Real Truth'

    By Eric Baculinao

    BEIJING - Relatives of Chinese passengers on board missing Flight 370 accused Malaysian authorities of withholding information about the investigation Friday as the search entered its third week.

    “I still believe they are continuing to hide crucial information," said a man in his 40s who gave his family name as Yang.

    The accusation came despite the arrival in Beijing of a delegation - including high-ranking officials from Malaysian Prime Minister's office – aimed at reassuring the families that everything was being done to find their loved ones...

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/missing-mh370-chinese-families-demand-real-truth-n58941
     
  7. citygirl

    citygirl Well-Known Member

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    I'm curious because one of the talking heads, maybe a pilot?, said it would be impossible to see from the altitude they were flying at the time.
     
  8. 21merc7

    21merc7 New Member

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    Wrong video, it was the wire one, BRB!
     
  9. redheadedgal

    redheadedgal Well-Known Member

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  10. 21merc7

    21merc7 New Member

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    Chilly, here it is, but the suicide video was one too. I don't think that is what this case is, I think turn back was after something went wrong and communication was lost before the pilots knew, due to any sort of bad part or malfunction that was not noticed. Knowing parts and their actions, it literally can take seconds for a part to fail or short. I do ask that any that are interested watch some of these. I have been learning a lot.

    Here is the video that got me started:


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U9Vu-i8_uE"]The Swissair Flight 111 Aviation Accident - YouTube[/ame]
     
  11. 1&2&3

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    One point that seems to have disappeared from discussion is when the Vietnamese control tower asked one of their pilots to contact 370. The pilot reported back he got a muffled response. Why did Vietnam not follow through and report this back to Malaysia Air Traffic Controller? Was the ball dropped here that might have prevented this missing plane?
     
  12. Woe.be.gone

    Woe.be.gone Well-Known Member

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    IMO don't feel sorry for them. They are leaders of a country. This is their job and they're wrong if they think they can live in a bubble in a global world.
    You don't get to take only the good while always escaping any of the bad.
    IMO they're not used to being asked what to do and that's what is hard for them. Notice I didn't say told what to do. Nobody is telling them what to do but, as people/other nations concerned about other people, we are asking for full disclosure and cooperation in order to find their missing airplane. Now, the leaders are in a pickle because they're not used to this way of thinking. JIMO based on reading material and living among foreign relations people (the kind that want what is fair and best for all people no matter where they live). JIMO.
     
  13. Woe.be.gone

    Woe.be.gone Well-Known Member

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    Perfect! This is the kind of disclosure I'm referring to (that isn't happening) in my post above.
     
  14. aa9511

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    I have been walking around half-asleep every day since this happened.

    I was just thinking of that interview today - I was like, well I guess the General didn't know what he was talking about (after this Australia sighting). But now I'm like, well what if the sighting is nothing and he is actually right?

    Color me confused.
     
  15. Waddles

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    I feel that way too, the fact is no one knows. Despite blatant errors I think any country would have been in the spotlight and been criticized - we just don't know where this plane is!
     
  16. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    You're welcome--and if you don't have it tomorrow, it's most likely b/c the story has changed once again. ;) (Took me 'til today to sort it out, too.)
     
  17. aa9511

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    This was all started, IMO, by that "simplistic theory" that took over the internet by Goodfellow.

    I guess senior officials with likely intelligence briefings, as well as Malaysian officials with DIRECT knowledge of everything, what they say means nothing.
     
  18. Chilly Willy

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    I don't have time to watch the entire 44 minute video right now but after watching the first 2 or 3 minutes there are obvious differences between what happened on flight 111 and what we know of flight 370. For instance, it appears that flight 111 went down in a matter of minutes and the pilot did attempt to communicate with ATC. I'll watch the entire video later - my cats are staging a revolt because their food dish is only half full.
     
  19. ilovepierre

    ilovepierre One day, the lost will be found

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    I'm still intrigued!
    I think I'll continue to be intrigued even after we ever find out what happened.

    The fact that a 777 can go missing without a trace is very weird, indeed.
     
  20. Woe.be.gone

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    What makes the most sense to me to explain the possibility of a fight happening between the two pilots, is if one of them took action to take the flight off course against the other pilot's will. That might explain the erratic behavior the airplane displayed in the sky as well.

    It's difficult to imagine they'd get in a physical altercation over anything other than the way the plane was being flown imo. But agree a fight may have happened for the reason stated above.
     
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