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  1. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    Breaking news

    Malaysia Airlines says it has lost contact with a plane travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, with 239 people on board.

    The airline said in a statement that flight MH370 disappeared at 02:40 local time on Saturday (18:40 GMT on Friday).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26492748

    I'm praying the plane is found and people on the plane survive.

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    It's a really easy mistake to make though. But lots of people overseas don't realise just how far away from Perth the search area is. I think the first search area was about the same as the distance between New York and Houston or from London to Moscow.

    It was likely around dawn when the plane crashed, depending on its position.
     
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    Kiwi :blowkiss:

    but yeah I should definitely know these things
     
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    I am very doubtful as well that they have found the black box. We can't even find a floating cushion (and there at least about 300 of them, but they found the black box?

    Highly unlikely.
     
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    I just hope the weather there cooperates for the next 2 or 3 days at least.
     
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    I've been wondering about this. Having the technical capacity to track the plane and having someone watching and interpreting that information are two very different things. If you think about the volume of air traffic that is typically in the air, if air traffic control doesn't keep on top of it then I doubt any other agency is going to be keeping track of every commercial flight at any given time.
     
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    That is a good point, but also the debris could have gone to a different location by now with the currents and everything.

    And instead of trying to figure out and calculate where the debris would be by now (if crash was at that location), and then go out and send planes and ships to search there - much easier to just verify this "acoustic event" as related to the black box or not, first.

    JMO.
     
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    Regarding Diego Garcia, I doubt it's of any particular significance but, just for some historical background from a British perspective, the historic inhabitants were evicted by the UK government in the 1960s, to make way for the base, and have asserted their right to return ever since, in fact they won a high court case in 2006, in London:

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagossians"]Chagossians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    The US lease expires in 2016 and must be renegotiated by the end of this year:

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    The ocean seems to be more than we can comprehend or have any that recall. My father did recall. He was navy, in subs.

    The ocean is incredibly deeper than we can comprehend, incredibly violent ocean. All that have water jobs know.

    When you go to the beach and see waves larger than a house, you can double or triple that for the Indian Ocean. Close to tsumani at all times, a planetary vortex. Keep in mind that right now it is freezing cold too.
     
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    This is purely a guess, and I would welcome being corrected, but I think the detection instrument converts the frequency signal (emmitted by the black-box) into a "sound". Like your radio, for example (if you remember what that is), the radio signal is sitting waiting for you to turn on your radio. If you don't turn on your radio you won't hear the broadcast waves. I would be very annoyed if everytime I flew I had to be hearing the damn black-box pinging for the entire flight.
    I suppose a tree falling in the forest, with nobody there to hear it, would be a non-acoustic event.
     
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    I posted a link last night about the ship .

    Here is is again.
    http://http://en.kunming.cn/index/content/2012-07/30/content_3033359.htm
    I do not doubt for a minute that China has equipment needed to detect the black box .If there were to stumble upon it.

    China reported images from satellite images, so IMO I believe they are following up on those images ,which is why they are not in the same area as the others. I think they are conducting themselves in a way that keeps in line with their political climate and how their population would expect them too.
     
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    I've just been thinking about how they are determining the search area.

    I think the general consensus is that the plane was on auto-pilot after the South turn. Because it could not have done a lot of variance in speed/altitude on the way after South turn, or it would have used up more fuel and not been able to make it to the 8:11 arc point.

    I wonder if any of the pilots on here can tell us more about auto-pilot, and if they know, specifically about auto-pilot on 777. For example, I would think there would be some general speeds - like 400 knots, 450 knots, 500 knots, 550, etc.. Meaning, the speeds are set at some round, estimate number intervals - like you can change the speed in 25's, 50's, 75's, 100's, etc.. I know I am not writing it very clearly, but hopefully someone can understand what I'm trying to say.

    So, for example, they know the plane had to be at an arc point at 8:11. They can (hopefully) estimate the fuel there was in the plane starting at the South turn. What they need is the speed and altitude the plane was flying at on its path.

    If the plane was on auto-pilot, the speed and altitude would have been constant from the South turn.

    They can come up with a minimum and max speed and min and max altitude to ensure plane was on arc at 8:11.

    What they need is to find out exact speed and altitude inbetween those min and max.

    But if the speed and altitudes are set at rounded numbers, it should be easier to try to narrow that range, right?

    Because let's say the speed could have been 400,425, 450, 475, etc.. But not 410, 433, 460, 495, etc..

    And also, why would the pilot choose some number like speed of 460? Instead of just 450?

    Altitude would be much harder, I think.

    JMO.
     
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    Yes, that would be nerve racking. The ping is activated by impact or immersion.
     
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