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  1. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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    Breaking news

    Malaysia Airlines says it has lost contact with a plane travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, with 239 people on board.

    The airline said in a statement that flight MH370 disappeared at 02:40 local time on Saturday (18:40 GMT on Friday).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26492748

    I'm praying the plane is found and people on the plane survive.

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  3. Steely Dan

    Steely Dan Former Member

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    What's that supposed to mean!! :stormingmad: [​IMG]



    :giggle:

    IIRC, they said the pilot can depressurize the cabin from the cockpit. Also, that it would kill all of the people on board. This would explain why some people's calls were going through, but not picked up.
     
  4. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Bringing this over:

    This is REALLY chilling and a bit creepy... but here is the explanation for this.

    The pilot (or whoever is flying the plane) has control over the oxygen in the cabin.
    They can turn it off... basically causing a decompression. They could do it before anyone had time to react. :scared:

    They could have flown up to 45,000 feet... turned off the oxygen and killed everyone within minutes.
    Especially if they flew a bit erratically and made it difficult to put on masks. They'd lose consciousness fast.

    The masks that drop down are only meant to allow time to descend (10-15 minutes.)
    They could have used the cock pit oxygen (90 minutes total in the cock pit) while they did this.
    Then dropped back down, turned the oxygenation back on and not had anyone to fight them. :twocents:

    The cabin pressure is generally done automatically but there is an option to do it manually.
    All a pilot has to do is not turn that on, or turn it off and put their own oxygen mask on... and everyone else will die. :scared:

    (Also flying to 45,000 feet may have caused the engines to stop.
    They'd have to dive to 25,000 or below to start them again.
    That's another possible explanation for the plane dropping that low that fast.)

    In the Helios Flight 522 this is essentially what happened except it wasn't intentional so the pilots died too.

    The cabin pressure was set to manual from maintenance the day before and the pilots did not realize it.
    When they started climbing people couldn't breathe and the oxygen masks dropped.
    The pilots did not know the oxygen masks had dropped and kept climbing.
    Then they misunderstood all the alarms that were going off... and lost consciousness before they figured it out.
    There was also 3 hours of extra oxygen (separate from passengers and cock pit) on the Helios Flight.

    That flight flew on auto pilot until it ran out of gas and crashed.
    (There is a documentary on youtube about it if anyone wants to watch it.)

    They would still die at lower altitudes, they didn't have to stay at 45,000 feet the whole time.
    Honestly it would make sense to disable the oxygen in the cabin and put your own oxygen masks on.
    Then climb then descend quickly to make it hard for them to put on their masks.

    In Helios 522 it was 18,000 feet when the cabin masks dropped and the flight leveled off (auto pilot) at 34,000.
    The pilots were unconscious without their oxygen on before they even hit 34,000 feet. :twocents:

    [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522"]Helios Airways Flight 522 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
     
  5. ElleElle

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    Understood. :blushing:
     
  6. fruity

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    Do you think there's a chance that the Malaysian president knows more than he's letting on when he refuses to confirm a hijacking? If it was coordinated by the pilot it wouldn't be a hijacking. While he has confirmed that deliberate actions took the plane off course, but clearly says that it isn't necessarily a hijacking, is he perhaps hinting that he knows the pilot is involved?
     
  7. CoverMeCagney

    CoverMeCagney Well-Known Member

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    Over a week has passed. If this plane had crashed into the sea, surely something would have been seen by now? Unless it crashed intact and literally sank to the bottom then there would be some sort of debris floating somewhere. There are loads of ships and aircraft all out searching, and yeah, I know the sea is pretty big but I just don't believe that satellites/subs/planes wouldn't have seen SOMETHING this far into the search.

    This might be a really daft question, but last summer the kids and I spent many an evening watching the International Space Station flying over us, if I recall correctly they could do a lap around the world (at UK latitude) in about an hour as some nights we saw it twice. So.. daft question maybe, but could the ISS have been deployed to go and have a look over the Indian Ocean??
     
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    NEW DAILY MAIL ARTICLE

    Police are investigating the possibility that the pilot of missing Flight MH370 hijacked his own aircraft in a bizarre political protest.

    The Mail on Sunday has learned that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an ‘obsessive’ supporter of Malaysia’s opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim. And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years.

    Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia’s ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.

    Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...opposition-leader-sodomite.html#ixzz2w4j4YV00

    NEW DAILY MIRROR ARTICLE

    Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a fervent supporter of his country's opposition leader who was jailed for homosexuality - illegal in Malaysia - only hours before flight MH370 vanished with 239 passengers and crew on board, the Sunday Mirror can reveal.

    And in a new twist, it emerged that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family's home the day before the plane's disappearance.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-fears-over-3247649#ixzz2w4jQtge8

    I find it interesting the pilot's wife and children moved out the day before this happened it seems the pilot may have been suffering a personal crisis.
     
  9. ElleElle

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    Yes, it could be a "one of our own" cases here. And they want to make sure they cross their T's and dot their I's before either admitting to or releasing the information.
     
  10. ElleElle

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    Ok, can someone tell me how the flight is programmed in and if it can be altered once off the ground?

    This is why I am thinking there a group involved here.
     
  11. fruity

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    BBM ~ Yes, this certainly does not sound like a coincidence.

    I guess this pilot suicide not been ruled out and it is technically a "deliberate action".
     
  13. CoverMeCagney

    CoverMeCagney Well-Known Member

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    Well, if true, it would suggest he might not have been in a good state of mind..... I really hope it wasn't pilot suicide, that would be one hell of a selfish way to go about it, taking 238 people with you. The Mirror newspaper is a tabloid and not to be entirely trusted. Oh I don't know, anything is possible.
     
  14. Nana46

    Nana46 Runs with Scissors

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    I hope I am not asking a redundant question and not quite sure how to word it....if we know from what they have told us about how much fuel the plane had....do we know if there is/was a reserve tank on that plane? If so, and the "hijackers" or whatever knew the amount needed to fly to the planes destination, how would the hijacker know if there is/was any reserve on board? TIA to anyone that might can answer.

    And how would a highjacker know the amount in a reserve tank.
     
  15. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location

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    Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset. It was against this background that, seven hours later, he took control of a Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing and carrying 238 passengers and crew.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html
     
  16. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    snipped for space

    Everything else I've seen says they didn't "move out" as in leaving him.
    The Pilot and his family had TWO houses.
    The wife and kids merely went to stay at the other one.
    I don't find that unusual at all personally. (I'm not rich, but I understand some people are.)

    I saw the report of moving into their second house here, but the website is having issues right now.

    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/

    I believe this site is slightly more reputable than The Mirror but I could be wrong.
     
  17. fruity

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    Re the wife and children - weren't his 3 children grown? He has grandchildren - were they all living together in one house? I have read that he lived in a gated community but I haven't read who lived there.

    Editing to add:


    On Saturday, a police van with a large contingent of officers inside passed through a security gate at the entrance to the luxury compound where Shah, a father-of-three, lives with his wife Faisa.

    http://m.smh.com.au/world/terror-in...-pilot-zaharie-ahmad-shah-20140315-34u3n.html

    I am reluctant to believe the information about his family leaving him unless a more reputable source confirms it. I take everything from the DM with a bucket of salt.
     
  18. 21merc7

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    I do not know the answer for planes, but if it is digital it can be. Anything we do that is digital can be tampered with from anywhere in the world. Someone from any place in the world can tap into your phone, computer, television, car, whatever, from any distance in the world, or beyond, and take control of those devices.
     
  19. Steely Dan

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    I love the overhead pictures of stuff on the water in these threads;

    [​IMG]
     
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    Morag Well-Known Member

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    According to CNN, within the last few minutes, the ACAR (sp?) system has to be turned off somewhere other than the cockpit, the transponder is right there on the dashboard, AND- both systems were turned out before "alright, goodnight".
     
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