Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #2

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jslk said:
I thought Obama/Cameron (UK PM) were pressing for an emergency meeting of the UN? That really needs to happen IMO so some kind of coordinated effort can take place, the recovery of bodies and investigation really needs expediting. No one country can act unilaterally IMO - it needs a truly international approach. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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They did, everyone read some paragraphs off a sheet or two of paper (that they did not write). Bigger conntries got more paragraphs than little ones! 37.5% of them in the room were catching up on some rest, 12.4% were something,51.5% were not paying attention (reading their script instead of listening to the junk being read aloud by someone else!)

And suprise: our allies said bad bad Putin. And Russia said bad bad Ukraine. And Ukraine said bad bad terrorists. After doing some reading aloud they left. After blowing out some hot air from the orafices in their faces ! (thats funny!
(picture a poetry reading!)

A total waste of payroll . Meaningless , it was kinda of like giving a kid a punishment and then not doing it

The averages of salaries for the folks at the UN to nap and read:

Team Assistant
s
$59,738
Administrative Assistant

$80,578
Information Officer

$98,333
Senior Information Systems Officer

$160,000
IT Consultant

$58,062
Project Manager

$89,238
Research Assistant

$82,190
Finance Assistant

$56,993
Humanitarian Affairs Officer - L3

$107,833
Economic Affairs Officer

$120,155
Director

$184,154
Finance Officer

$73,999
United Nations Security and Safety Officer

$50,063

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/United-Nations-Salaries-E21435.htm


PS: They are not "removing" bodies - they are"moving" them about =big difference imo
 
kimi_SFC said:
max seddon (@maxseddon) tweeted at 2:12am - 19 Jul 14:

Rebels denying access to #MH17 crash site until "investigative brigade" finishes work. Won't say where the bodies are being taken. (https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/490423811201064960)

This tweet was posted approximately 5 hours ago

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I am wondering just WHO this 'investigative brigade" is made up of...are they Russians? are they members of the pro Russian rebels???
 
Here is the video of Ambassador Samantha Power addressing the issue:


U.S. Says Surface-to-Air Missile Likely Downed MH17

July 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Ambassador to United Nations Samantha Power speaks about the downing of a Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine that killed all 298 people on board. Power said the aircraft was probably shot down by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by rebels from insurgent-held territory in Ukraine. She speaks at meeting of the UN Security Council in New York. (Source: Bloomberg)

http://mobile.businessweek.com/vide...ays-surface-to-air-missile-likely-downed-mh17


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This was tweeted yesterday:

Olaf Koens (@obk) tweeted at 12:19am - 18 Jul 14:

Russian border control very nervous with journalists passing into Ukraine. Secret service photographing and filming all our documents (https://twitter.com/obk/status/490033177340444672)

:(


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Press conference Dutch MP Rutte. NOW

translated as we go.

Has spoken with Putin. urges unlimited access to site of crash, as Putin promised yesterday.
"You are loosing credibility rapdily" Rutte said to P.
Heat is terible there, 35 degrees.
Treatment of corpses and belongings DISGUSTING! (exclamation Rutte)

First priority to recuperate bodies. Everybody NOT COOPERATING runs the risk of suspicion of involvement.

What decent is in such a case... not happening.

Rutte VERY angry.
Was speaking with Putin right before the press conference.

Did not mention who is responsible for crash. Awaits investigation.

[all mistakes mine]
 
Olaf Koens (@obk) tweeted at 11:57pm - 18 Jul 14:

Flowers on the crash-site of flight #MH17 pic.twitter.com/SHdqvUrZgI (https://twitter.com/obk/status/490389952971030528)

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Tweeted approximately 9 hours ago


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A Time Magazine reporter is tweeting that bodies are being loaded on old trucks .. everyone refusing to say where the victims are being taken.

"Workers in filthy uniforms stacking corpses onto old ZiL trucks. All refusing to say where the dead are being taken"

https://twitter.com/shustry/status/490527570556116992 (10m)
 
ZaZara said:
Press conference Dutch MP Rutte. NOW

translated as we go.

Has spoken with Putin. urges unlimited access to site of crash, as Putin promised yesterday.
"You are loosing credibility rapdily" Rutte said to P.
Heat is terible there, 35 degrees.
Treatment of corpses and belongings DISGUSTING! (exclamation Rutte)

First priority to recuperate bodies. Everybody NOT COOPERATING runs the risk of suspicion of involvement.

What decent is in such a case... not happening.

Rutte VERY angry.
Was speaking with Putin right before the press conference.

Did not mention who is responsible for crash. Awaits investigation.

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Thanks button is not enough ZaZara!

:loveyou:

:grouphug:

#PrayForMH17


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Retweeted by @maxseddon:


Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) tweeted at 5:45am - 19 Jul 14:

Personal effects of #MH17 passengers at crash site. pic.twitter.com/jmBr4Dh4xd (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/490500740155465728)

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Out of respect for the passengers, I could not bear to post the image, but the link works. It is absolutely heartbreaking. I thought about posting and alerting a Mod, but my tears stopped me, as did my conscience.

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How can humans have such utter disregard for each other, I cannot fathom. :no:



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NuNL first report of Dutch PM Press Conference at 18.00 hrs GMT+1
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/3832485/rutte-geschokt-van-respectloos-gedrag-rampplek.html


Rutte geschokt van respectloos gedrag op rampplek
"Ik ben geschokt van de beelden van volstrekt respectloos gedrag op de rampplek van de MH17 in Oekraïne." Dat heeft premier Mark Rutte zaterdag om 18.00 uur in een persconferentie gezegd.
"Absoluut urgent is nu de snelle repatriatie van Nederlandse slachtoffers." De premier noemt het "rotzooien met herkenbare en persoonlijke spullen op de rampplek ronduit walgelijk".
Tijdens de persconferentie sprak Rutte over een 'zeer intens telefoongesprek' dat hij zaterdag met president Vladimir Poetin had. "Hij moet nu de verantwoordelijkheid nemen", aldus Rutte.
Rutte heeft de Russische president dringend opgeroepen zijn invloed aan te wenden om te zorgen dat Nederlandse lichamen van de rampplek in Oekraïne snel weg te krijgen zijn.
"De kans verloopt om de wereld te laten zien dat u het goede voorheeft", zou Rutte tegen Poetin hebben gezegd. "Jij moet er nu alles aan doen."
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Translation:

Rutte shocked by disrespectful behaviour on crash site "I'm shocked by the images of totally disrespectful behavior at the crash site of the MH17 in Ukraine." Prime Minister Mark Rutte said in a press conference at 6 p.m. Saturday.
"Absolutely urgent now is the rapid repatriation of Dutch victims." The Prime Minister calls the "playing around with recognizable and personal items on the crash site downright disgusting".
Rutte spoke at the press conference about a ' very intense phone call that he had with president Vladimir Putin on Saturday '. "He must now take responsibility," said Rutte.
Rutte has urgently called on the Russian president to use his influence to ensure that Dutch bodies are swiftly removed from the crash site in Ukraine.
"The opportunity to show the world that you have the best interest in mind is rapidly diminishing", Rutte alledgedly told Putin. "Now you must do everything you can."
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SouthAussie said:
I just want to post this, so we can all remember what Russian-controlled radio first said, while they are all now saying they don’t know where the black box(es) are ..

"The “black box” from the airplane traveled to Moscow “for investigation,” Russian radio station Kommersant FM reported."

http://www.thedailybeast.com//artic...ack-box-sent-to-moscow-for-investigation.html
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Here is an article from a major news outlet, that I believe contributed to the confusion
about the MH17 black box. The jounalist mentions more than one recent Ukraine plane
disaster & has NOT made it clear exactly WHICH black box was sent to Russia
... but reading the article carefully, it is my opinion, it refers to the black box
from the earlier downed military cargo plane that was sent to Russia.
The radio station personnel would not have intimate knowledge of any
aviation incident & would be gathering info from sources like the internet.
Note that this article was published on July 17, the day of the MH17 downing.

Also in my opinion, the rebel soldiers did not have enough training in the field of
aviation investigation to find a damaged black box that quickly in a 10 mile debris field.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-passenger-jet-shot-down-over-ukraine/
 
kimi_SFC said:
Retweeted by @maxseddon:


Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) tweeted at 5:45am - 19 Jul 14:

Personal effects of #MH17 passengers at crash site. pic.twitter.com/jmBr4Dh4xd (https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/490500740155465728)


Out of respect for the passengers, I could not bear to post the image, but the link works. It is absolutely heartbreaking. I thought about posting and alerting a Mod, but my tears stopped me, as did my conscience.

How can humans have such utter disregard for each other, I cannot fathom. :no:



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I personally don't mind the images. It is a fact, and I have a feeling it will get worse. I guess I don't possess any feelings?
 
This is a link to an article from one of the BBC correspondents about the lack of respect shown by some at the crash site. I think I saw the militia man nicknamed Grumpy on TV telling the OSCE experts to go away or suffer the consequences earlier today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28384930

It is a sorry day when posturing gun-toting bullies end up in charge. The whole way this is being handled by the militia and not handled by Putin their sponsor and supporter smacks of contempt for the victims. Weasel words and posturing are cheap - it is time they took action and let all of the international Air Accident Investigation teams in immediately.
 
Remember the 2004 Tsunami? They were able to get the bodies out very quickly and ceremoniously. This is ridiculous!

We need someone to step in and clean up this carnage ASAP.

JMO
 
2rose said:
Here is an article from a major news outlet, that I believe contributed to the confusion
about the MH17 black box. The jounalist mentions more than one recent Ukraine plane
disaster & has NOT made it clear exactly WHICH black box was sent to Russia
... but reading the article carefully, it is my opinion, it refers to the black box
from the earlier downed military cargo plane that was sent to Russia.
The radio station personnel would not have intimate knowledge of any
aviation incident & would be gathering info from sources like the internet.
Note that this article was published on July 17, the day of the MH17 downing.

Also in my opinion, the rebel soldiers did not have enough training in the field of
aviation investigation to find a damaged black box that quickly in a 10 mile debris field.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-passenger-jet-shot-down-over-ukraine/
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IMO, the BB won't have much unless, *unless*, there was someone other that the crew flying MH17.
 
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