Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #3

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  1. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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  2. Shadyren

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    Our attitudes towards foreigners are no different from any other country local community. We would think, "oh that person is tall" or "oh its a foreigners".

    And Dusun resort are pretty famous among foreigner and malaysian, as vacation spot due its nature and hiking track.

    Also, this would be our first time to receive "missing people" report more than 5 days. Usually, they would be founded after getting lost for 1 or 2 days.

    Pardon for my english.
     
  3. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for this, I wasn't implying any malice towards indigenous people here, just wondering how much contact there was, and what the reaction/communication might be had someone found Nora. I realise this is all speculation and it totally depends on the individuals involved ....
     
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  4. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    Come on, 'muddy ground could feel nice'.
    What about all the sticking out stones on the trail that prick into the bare feet for more than 2km? Look up the trail. See -for instance- the images in the link of post 388.
     
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  5. SuperTmo

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    But that just makes it more confusing. Wouldn’t it have gotten even louder inside the house when she suddenly opened the window?
     
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  6. Shadyren

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    If you guys need more "clearer" vision on how "trail" looks like,

    Hiking & Gardening: Lata Berembun, Negeri Sembilan

    Refer here. I used to come here for hiking, few years back. And yea, im malaysian so this would help you guys to assume how malaysian forest trail looks like.

    Its actually plausible for you to barefoot, walking through those trail. I even walked barefooted, because its much more easier to navigate your path, though it would be much more dangerous with insect, and stuff.
     
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    I've woken up this morning with a very heavy heart for Nora, her parents but also her siblings. What a tough, tough thing to go through.

    I've just seen the BBC TV news reporter say he spoke to one of the hikers who found her and reported they said to him "they found the body close to a stream, an L shape area of the stream, it wasn't sure if it was the in the water or on the bank but the stream was shallow but were unsure if the stream is connected to the river that flows through the Dusun resort."

    He went on to say a news report with lots of questions would be around 10:00am UK time (that is approximately 2 hours from now).

    He went on to say both the French and UK Embassies are helping the family and the Lucy Blackman Trust too (who support missing people abroad) and that they have a lawyer in place in case this becomes a criminal case.

    He also said it was difficult terrain to search, thick Jungle and it would trip them up, there was mud, vines, boulders and all sorts of nasty things including a snake.
     
  8. Amonet

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    We're not allowed to be too open with suspicions of any individual on this board until/unless they're named as a person of interest.

    On some cases the comments of suspect turn up despite that rule, and they're usually moderated out if they're reported. It's rare for them to be allowed to stand.

    We can speculate whether something like that might be possible in private, off the boards, but not openly accuse on the boards.
     
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    well, based from my experience, nope. You wont notice that much no matter how many time you opened the window.
     
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  10. Njust1

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    Family of Nora Quoirin will not demand criminal investigation

    I don’t understand this report. If the family was adamant right from the start that “a crime has been committed”, as the father was screaming at 8am upon the discovery of nina being missing, why not demand a criminal investigation?

    Also, it took them 5 days to explain Nora’s brain condition. When she was first missing, she was described as having mild learning difficulty. They should have spoken about her rate condition sooner so all alarms would be rung.

    Rest in peace Nora.
     
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  11. Elainera

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    Thank you for that.

    The presser will be in one and a half hours.
     
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  12. Officer Dibble

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    I thought we deduced the balcony area is open and no windows there so the entire property is open from the balcony?
     
  13. Officer Dibble

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    I think the area in Portugal did suffer for a year or two tourist wise but it picked back up again, I believe.
     
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    Yes, the front up and downstairs is open to the jungle experience.

    Which again begs the question how significant is this window being open. Could have been left open and no one noticed.
     
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  15. InVinoVeritas

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    I think there is a lot lost in translation, and I mean that literally and in terms of police investigation. Also, the family are in a strange country and dealing with the raw emotions of not knowing what happened to Nora. I presume the police were aware of her brain condition, did it matter that the world's media were not? I'm guessing so long as the people looking for her were aware of her special needs, that's what mattered.
    I'm torn on the 8am "crime" call .... how do any of us know how we would react? Panic for sure, and you're somewhere strange and foreign, and you are certain you know your child well enough to know she would not simply walk off .... the window being open ... I think the "crime" call is a scream for help, for someone to realise the seriousness ... and remember, English isn't SQ's first language either ....
     
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    Hmmmm, the analogy to a country suffering a post-terrorist attack is unsustainable. It takes ANY city or a country some time to get over a terrorist attack, that’s given.

    I remember taking my child to Paris not long after Bataclan tragedy and people around me were saying to me, like, are you serious .... In case anyone reckons that Bataclan did not involve any foreign national - there was a huge Airbnb conference going on at the same time and in the vicinity.

    This is/was a case of a missing child.
     
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  18. Njust1

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    I agree with you! All these reports are also very confusing and misleading.

    SQ lives in London so his English must be as good as mine. In any case, water under the bridge!
     
  19. Officer Dibble

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    That really does explain how hard it is to get there.

    What does a Chinese Township mean?
     
  20. Armchair_Defective

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    This is from the article, from the family lawyer;

    "
    The family’s lawyer Sankara N. Nair said: “They won’t press for anything because in this country, even in most countries, it has to be done by the police rather than you pressing for anything.

    “They have to go on evidence. The family is totally distraught. Totally overwhelmed.”

    The part I bolded - Maybe they know now there isn't any evidence of anything criminal?...or at least so far.
     
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