Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #5

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  1. SuperTmo

    SuperTmo Well-Known Member

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    Right. But why not just lay it out bare right from the start? She didn’t have mild learning disabilities, so why was it put out that way. I would say they were quite severe, based on the later explanation. Did the parents tell the police all of the struggles she had immediately, or was it several days later too? I guess I feel like there shouldn’t have been a need to go back and clarify later.
     
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  2. Teratai

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    I hope I can ask this without offending anybody. It’s a genuine question.

    Why are Nóra’s parents insisting she was abducted especially when they was no sign of sexual assault on the post Mortem?

    Sorry if I missed anything...
     
  3. Eve71

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    So what your saying happened was someone snuck in, crept up the stairs on the off chance Norah would be up there, carried her from her bed with not a sound heard by the 2 children sleeping opposite, managed to navigate the steep, windy stairs carrying a 15 year old, all without a sound heard. The abductor then took her far into the jungle , didn’t feed or water her, wasn’t interested in sexually assaulting or physically hurting her her but for some off the wall reason decided to keep her captive until she finally passed, then carried her to the waterfall and placed her in a sleeping position with no effort to cover her body. Miraculously this elusive abductor managed all this whilst staying hidden from the 300 odd people searching for her. Not only is there zero evidence, there’s no motive whatsoever.
     
  4. MsBetsy

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    Well, maybe it's different there, but in the US they are not going to pay for things like Occupational Therapy, Speech Therapy, Physical Therapy, and other specialists unless the child is proven to be eligible.

    It's not the parents who pay for the school, it's the School District.
    So maybe she attended a private school that the parents had to pay for. If so, I was not aware of that.

    And yes, the reporting in the beginning was confusing. I'm sure that was due to the language barrier and of course the media is well known for missreporting things consistently. It's been a problem in every case I've followed.
    I think that's why the the family needed to clear things up, and the Spokesman for the LBT said that only their information was reliable concerning the family.

    And yes, some did say the mother called it mild and then it "went" to her not being able to walk. If you go back you will find plenty of posts criticizing the mother for her choice of words.

    The media does not always quote people accurately, so all I meant was that it is unfair to criticize a grieving parent for the way they describe their child.

    And yes, as I said before, considering her diagnosis she was very high functioning.
    I guess it depends what you read, but I had read that many born with a severe condition don't live until age one or are born stillborn. Imo
     
  5. HongKongPhooey

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    The family live in London. It sounds v similar Ms B in that they would be allocated a school place based on the child's assessed needs. For free. Some children with special needs may attend a regular school and have special assistance provided by the school. Also free. Which to be clear I am v glad about. However they may have decided to pay for private schooling for all three children as far as we know. Some people just opt to do that, but it is expensive in the Uk
     
  6. SuperTmo

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    So if you believe she couldn’t have done this alone, and there are zero signs of an abduction, what do you think happened? Just curious!
     
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    There's always a need if it was misunderstood in the first place.
    It was very important for police to understand the extent of her disabilities and I'm not sure they did immediately. Maybe they misinterpreted some of what was told to them. One wrong word can change the meaning of something when you a are trying to communicate in another language.
    Look how many people thought "unclothed" did not mean the same as "naked." Imo
     
  8. Njust1

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    I totally understand the various descriptions/ categorisation of mild learning difficulties in all the glorious detail. But it transpired 5 days later that she has something more severe!
     
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    Definitely. Some words just dont exist in other languages. Other things have more than one word. I remember one of our Malay speaking posters explaining that the word for bathing in a river is different from swimming. Or something to that effect
     
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  10. MsBetsy

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    I really have no idea. It's a complete mystery to me at this point.
    There's no evidence and too many unknowns.
    And we can never truly know what Nora's thoughts were or what caused her to leave the hotel alone if that's what she did. Imo
     
  11. jens

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    Nora’s parents have stated that she wouldn’t go anywhere by herself so for her to disappear she must have been abducted.

    “She [Nora] was very shy, dependent on her mother and its not in her temperament to go out in the night after a long trip in a place she doesn’t know, in the jungle”.
    Nora Quoirin’s grieving parents still believe teen was abducted | The Irish Post
     
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    Oh I assumed it was a private school she went to.

    In terms of the mom’s statement when she first went missing she said, “She isn’t like other 15 year olds. She looks younger, she can’t take care of herself, and won’t understand what is going on.”

    You have to admit that is a far cry from how she was described several days later. Given the context of being missing in a foreign country, in the jungle no less, I think not being able to care for herself or understand what is going on would be most teens. Looking younger is the least relevant thing and was the first descriptor.

    Ultimately, she sounds no different than other teens in that description, so the urgency just didn’t come across. That is why when she later was described far worse, people were surprised and questioned why the description changed so drastically.

    Not sure if it would have changed the outcome at all to have had that info from the start. I assume the outcome might be the same regardless. It’s so unfortunate.
     
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    If I recall. The parents said from day one that no way would she venture outside due to her condition. They quickly released the name of it which clarified info re balance and so on. Discussed at length early on. It was the French grandfather who was quoted in msm (links earlier I'm sure) as saying she had mild disabilities. Allowing for translation too, this may explain some confusion.
     
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    ...or went with someone she knew or had met since arriving.
     
  15. SuperTmo

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    But this is what the mom was quoted to have said.... reported in English by western media sources. There isn’t a language barrier there.
     
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    Possibly Nóra was abducted. Once the person realized that she was handicapped they might have decided that it was best to release her, and left her near the water fall thinking that she would be found quickly. How bad were her feet?
     
  17. HongKongPhooey

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    I was replying to Ms Betsy's post re local LE possibly misunderstanding something
     
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    Hi cocochanel, can you (?)place direct links to the previous threads under the title?
    Tia
     
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    Amid the outpouring of sympathy for the Quoirins’ loss of their special needs eldest child, many Malaysians also wondered if it’s possible for a person to starve to death in under 10 days.

    To that question, paediatric surgeon at University Malaya Medical Centre Prof Dr Yik Yee Ian explains that prolonged hunger can cause acid to build up in the internal abdominal organ, which can lead to stomach ulcer or “leaky gut”, and that can be fatal.

    Sinar Harian that leaky gut is when there are holes in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which includes the stomach and the small and large intestines, allowing for infection." data-reactid="25" style="margin-bottom: 1em; caret-color: rgb(38, 40, 42); color: rgb(38, 40, 42); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">He told Malay daily Sinar Harian that leaky gut is when there are holes in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract, which includes the stomach and the small and large intestines, allowing for infection.

    “A chronic stomach ulcer can cause leaky gut that could lead to peritonitis, which is due to extreme bacterial infection either through the blood or stomach. This can cause a shock to all the organs and inflict pain before causing death.

    “However, the risk depends on the individual and their health status. Among the causes of leaky gut is due to infection, inflammation and trauma,” he was quoted saying.

    He said most cases of leaky gut in children happen due to a pre-existing condition from birth.

    “Cases of leaky gut involving children usually happens when they’ve had congenital malformations of the GI tract since birth,” he told Sinar Harian.

    How extreme hunger leads to death: A paediatric surgeon explains after Nora Quoirin’s case
     
  20. Chiatos

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    What is this thing about mild versus not mild? Is there a link to the parents /family having expressed themselves using the term 'mild'?
     
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