Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #5

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  1. Sarahlou

    Sarahlou Well-Known Member

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    I've thought this before. I could imagine someone being panicked by either her being unwell, or fearing they were about to be caught out
     


  2. momrids6

    momrids6 JUSTICE FOR JENNIFER

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    Different types of search dogs work off of different things. They found her scent for so many meters, then lost it. Could that be that the dogs were working off her scent from a piece of clothing, then she no longer had clothing on with same scent, or none on but underclothes? Dogs In Search And Rescue
     
  3. sabrecmc

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    I think some of my personal confusion in the beginning came from interpreting what the family was saying about Nora's abilities (which may have come from extended family and I understand the parents have now distanced themselves from these statements). At first, I thought she just had learning delays, so the insistence that it was a kidnapping seemed odd. Then, it seemed like the family was saying that her condition was such that she was all but physically unable to have left the room and maneuvered down the stairs on her own, so abduction just about had to be the only option. But, abduction from a room with numerous other people planned within a few hours of their arrival? That seemed so odd. Stranger abduction is pretty rare and in a foreign location like this and invovling foreigh nations, it seems even less likely, so the idea that it was all planned within hours of their arrival and carried out by some abductor bold enough to break into their room or somehow lure her out without alerting anyone else just defies belief. It isn't impossible, but it certainly doesn't seem likely.

    However, now, it seems like it was more that they were saying that it wasn't physically impossible for her to have left on her own, just completely out of character, which I can understand in their minds made it seem almost impossible. After all, they wouldn't put her in a second story bedroom, with the bathroom and another bed option on the first floor, if she was truly physically incapable of leaving the room on her own. They probably wouldn't have chosen this vacation spot if she was so severely physically limited. They couldn't have been worried that if they put her on the first floor she would leave b/c they obviously never thought that was a serious concern since it would be so out of character. So I really think a lot of my initial confusion was because I accepted the idea that she was far more physically limited than she may actually have been, making abduction almost the only possible scenario, when really, the parents were maybe saying it wasn't physically impossible, just so wildly out of character for her that the didn't believe it was possible. When I take the physical impossibility away, by far the most likely scenario is that she left on her own for a hundred possible reasons that we will never know and got tragically lost in an unfamiliar place.
     
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  4. SuperTmo

    SuperTmo Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps. But not everyone is obsessed with this stuff like we are. Lots of people will hear a missing kid, and just shut it out of their minds since the stories are so freaking horrendous most of the time. Also, if this mystery woman was in the water each day it may not even stand out as important. Truth be told, most people don’t want to get involved in stuff like this.
     
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  5. SuperTmo

    SuperTmo Well-Known Member

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    But for me it comes back to WHY? Why would someone steal what is apparently a significantly disabled teenager? How’d they get her out of that tiny house? She’s bigger than I am. (Not that she is large, I just stopped growing at like 10, but I suspect someone would struggle to carry me out in that house) With no evidence of abuse, what was the point of taking her? Just to hang out?
     
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  6. Kubirai

    Kubirai Well-Known Member

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    I find it to be exact opposite. People who weren't in same area come forward with tips. For missing kids, sightings come from far away countries, etc.
     
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  7. Simply Southern

    Simply Southern Well-Known Member

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    Can anyone translate the documents attached in twit?
    Who is considered Royalty?
    Thanks

    Sumisha Naidu on Twitter

    The Malaysian Communication and Multimedia Commission sets up a WhatsApp hotline for the public to submit screenshots of social media postings deemed problematic on “3R” - “Race”, “Religion” or “Royalty”. Good move or encouraging a nanny state? MCMC (Official) on Twitter
     
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  8. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, of course, I was suggesting that it is possible, based on her mom's statement that her strengths, cognitive skills, etc, were continuously assessed.
    I don't think I stated that she received services elsewhere, just that it is possible for someone to receive these services out side of the school environment.
    Many children who have problems with fine motor skills (doing buttons, washing her hair) are eligible for occupational or physical therapy, so I dont think it's a far reach to assume that her family may have used any resources that would help her with that.
    I usually try to add IMO to all my posts, so I'm sorry if I didn't. It's too late for me to edit, but to clarify, I did not mean to say that she definitely had all these services, just that it is likely that at some point she did. Imo
     
  9. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I was referring to swimming in the river.
     
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  10. SuperTmo

    SuperTmo Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone know how deep the river is and how swift the current?
     
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  11. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I don't think so. I'm still not sure we even know if the woman seen was actually swimming or bathing. Imo
     
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  12. akazia1978

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    I admit I have not been following this thread. My daughter is "special needs" she has an IEP in school. She has however gotten much better after tears
    I agree.I have a child that I was in fact discouraged to stay away from "official diagnosis" as they are often wrong. 8 years later my child is a beautiful, but sensitive human. Some develop later than others. Nora I know nothing about. I won't until it is clarified
     
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  13. drama_farmer

    drama_farmer "It's never just a mannequin"

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    It occurred to me today that if Nora had been found a few days earlier (and alive), this would have been one of those "overcoming the odds," "rising above expectations" and "miracle!" feelgood stories. That she kept herself alive and was able to travel such a great distance, in difficult terrain in an extreme climate would be a testament to the inner strength and survival instinct that drives people in extreme circumstances to accomplish what was thought to be impossible.

    Obviously, this ending was a complete tragedy. But, if it turns out (as the preliminary evidence dictates ) that she did, in fact, travel to the waterfall alone after surviving long days in the jungle, in doesn't change the fact that she did accomplish what others deemed to be impossible. IMO
     
  14. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Even so, it would be wise to have another autopsy. Forensic Pathologists can interpret things differently. Imo
     
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  15. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    She was barefoot, so a pair of her shoes worn recently would have been good, but I don't think we know what was used. Imo
     
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  16. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, "labels" can carry a certain stigma which is definitely not appealing to anybody. It's especially difficult for children to have to deal with those things in school.

    Nora had Holoprosencephaly, and apparently was treated her whole life, so it's not something that would be difficult to diagnose. Imo
     
  17. neesaki

    neesaki Well-Known Member

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    I don’t know of a single soul locally that pays one bit of attention to missing persons cases. Whenever I have brought it up in the past.... something I’ve since given up on... they were completely oblivious.
    I know, I don’t get it either. I personally find it a bit disheartening.
     
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  18. neesaki

    neesaki Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think we even know if there was a woman in the river at all. IMO
     
  19. neesaki

    neesaki Well-Known Member

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    It is a mystery isn’t it?
     
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  20. MsBetsy

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    Good point.
     

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