Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #5

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  1. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Well-Known Member

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    Hoping the toxicology report gets released soon. Iff (If and only if) someone poisoned her somehow, that should show up in it.
     
  2. Chiatos

    Chiatos Well-Known Member

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    Malaysian police admit 'inexperienced' officers may have missed 'vital clues' in 10-day search for Nora Quoirin as her family fly 15-year-old's body back to UK
    Another senior officer, who also asked not to be named, said the area where Nora was found was yesterday still being investigated by forensic officers to see if there were any signs that Nora was abducted or assaulted before her death. Her underwear has not been found.
    18 Aug 2019
    Malaysian police admit 'inexperienced' officers may have missed 'vital clues' in Nora Quoirin search | Daily Mail Online
     
  3. Alyce

    Alyce Well-Known Member

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    Ah sorry, I thought you had read all of ABs comments, not just one article. The information you need is easily found but not able to be linked on here, am sure you understand why.


    With regard to my second paragraph

    You said
    Regardless of what her theories are, I am only addressing how or why people might be questioning the way this all played out

    As I said earlier, my reply to you was in response to your specific comment re AB and the veracity or otherwise of her comments.
    People might be questioning - is a different topic.
     
  4. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Right. They stated there was no evidence of abduction and she got lost in the jungle after having gone through the window. At no time did they say there was any involvement by a third person, which is clearly stated in the article as fact. Imo
     
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  5. Alyce

    Alyce Well-Known Member

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    Just to clarify - I was not referring to the social media outlet you are speaking about - which in general is not allowed on WS...I was talking of another msm link entirely.
    I do not see any posters jumping on you, if you raise a topic then you have to reasonably expect that others will respond and can add their comments, based on their research, to the discussion.
     
  6. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    LE has not said the logical assumption is that she left with someone known to her. They have never mentioned a third party at all. It is only the viewpoint of the lawyer, who would not know the details of the investigation out side of what we have already read in the media.
    Can you link the statement by LE that their "hypothesis" is that she left with someone known to her?

    Almost all of her statements are incorrect or misleading. They did not "convince authorities to abandon their murder inquiry and release Nora's body without producing the necessary forensic and toxicology reports that form part of every standard criminal death investigations."

    They don't even have all the results back yet and have in fact indicated that they are waiting for these results.

    They have not done "everything in their power to subvert the course of justice." In fact they are calling on just the opposite.

    They did not "hightail it out of the country upon being "guaranteed" they would not be investigated.

    They were granted permission to leave by LE. I would also think they were anxious to bring their daughter home and be with their family. How could they have possibly done more to help with the investigation? That's up to the experts now.

    At no time were the family ever suspects.

    So as for the notion the article is "not incorrect," the majority of it is not only incorrect, it is biased and opinionated.
     
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  7. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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  8. SuperTmo

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    I wasn’t referring to the news media.
     
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  9. Skigh

    Skigh Well-Known Member

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    what were you referring to?
     
  10. SuperTmo

    SuperTmo Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps it makes less sense if you don’t get a chance to really hear the other theories. But there are plenty of theories that actually make perfect sense. Or at least aren’t any crazier than the rest of the theories. Nobody wants to think anyone would intentionally do something this awful, so you have to be willing to let your mind go there.
     
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  11. SuperTmo

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    I’m sure there is still outstanding tests that will put the issue to rest.
     
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  12. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    What were you referring to? I thought you were talking about the recent article regarding the lawyers statements?
     
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  13. SuperTmo

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    The info about Nora’s condition, put out by the parents prior to her being discovered, was not accurate, the missing info about her wanting to see the waterfall, etc.. Those are pretty big reasons that people in other online spaces have cited as things that gave them pause. Shrug. Everyone is free to believe and interpret info as they please.
     
  14. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    It was never stated that the family neglected to tell LE about the waterfall, or even if they told them at all. It was reported that the hikers "heard" she was excited about the waterfall.
    It was also never reported that the parents description of her disabilities was not accurate. This was cleared up a long time ago.

    It's not a matter of interpreting information as people please, it's a matter of repeating innaccurate information as reported by the media, and basing speculation and theories on those "facts". Imo
     
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  15. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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  16. SuperTmo

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    I was. Someone said she discredited herself by saying things that weren’t accurate. I said if that is the case shouldn’t that work for all players in the case. Someone assumed I meant the media but I didn’t.

    I believe a lot of the people who think the same things AB does feel the parents discredited themselves by not being forthcoming with the bit about Nora wanting to see the waterfall or with giving conflicting statements about her disabilities. The sudden new info and then she was found (LBT released a statement about her being found after new info came out) is what led to this. Prior to that I couldn’t find anything about their involvement, anywhere. Right, wrong, or otherwise, it gave people a pause. It doesn’t mean they did anything, but it does make AB and others question them. Again, I’m just trying to explain how or why people believe and are giving credence to what AB suggested. She may be totally wrong and probably a bit too aggressive with stating her opinion, but I’m a firm believer in exploring every angle.
     
  17. Mercsw

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    That explains why we were looking at the same thing and different! Great comments on here Kubirai and excellent input.
     
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  18. Njust1

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    Jinn abduction makes more sense than parents’ involvement? Perhaps...
     
  19. SuperTmo

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    You think the issues were cleared up, but obviously there are a lot of people who do not. The LBT guy said the hikers found her after acting on previously unknown information. If their mouthpiece is saying that, it was obviously unknown.

    The info about her disability changed significantly from day 2 to day 4/5, and was much much worse. You can disagree with me, but I’m not sure how anyone can disagree with “she looks younger and can’t take care of herself” being way different than “she doesn’t understand concepts, cannot communicate well, and has mobility issues” (obviously paraphrased and not a direct quote - we all have seen the quotes repeatedly). I am basing these statements off the word of the parents and the guy they authorized to speak for them. Maybe it just didn’t seem important at the time, and so it got left out. Idk.
     
  20. Mercsw

    Mercsw Well-Known Member

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    This lawyer is sick. I’m sorry I always look first at family as stats show you are probably right, however this is just dumb. They could come up with hundreds of better ways of bumping her off than ruining a holiday for everyone, spending a fortune on something never to be taken and...more importantly...leaving a girl wandering around alive where she could be discovered any second. It’s a stupid ass idea...she could have been found at 830 that same morning she left, and then what?

    I don’t see anything suspicious in this case. It’s very sad and if I was the family I would scream abduction too, but there is zero evidence to support these crazy theories.
     

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