Man Dragged off United Airlines/Flight Overbooked, April 2017

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  1. shadowdancer

    shadowdancer Well-Known Member

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    Given that there is no evidence of this and given that his head injury is on video, this is just your opinion. Its not a fact.
     


  2. Cryptic

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    I think you are right. Of course, your medical diagnosis via video is also opinion and does not constitute fact either.
     
  3. shadowdancer

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    The head injury is not my diagnosis. His head is bashed against the arm rest on the video. I have not claimed that he had concussion, I said his behaviour is consistent with concussion.
     
  4. jadejazzkayla

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    Exactly. The airline should have offered an amount that would have encouraged 4 passengers to deplane happily.

    This is America. The home of the free market. Everyone has their price.

    Instead, united stock has lost 4% of it's value. It may bounce back, but I for one hope it keeps spiraling down.
     
  5. policyoftruth501

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    I too have been asked, MANY times, to take another flight because of overbooking. I have been offered upgrades and vouchers, as well as money, and at times I've taken them up on it. Other times I have not because sometimes you just get sick and tired of it. This guy sounds like he had a legit reason to not get off the plane. They could have picked someone else. They could have let their own employees stay behind. They could have done a lot of things instead of what they did do - most of all they could have accomplished their motive without knocking the man completely unconscious. That's where the lawsuit comes in.


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  6. LaneGirl

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    There are rules and regulations, there are contracts and then there is a human.

    I hope I always choose the right thing in non dangerous situations. I may have a right to do something by law but hopefully I don't put that above harming an individual.
     
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    If the inconvenience will cause the customer a delay of over something like 12 hours they are supposed to offer around $1400. Clearly United is more concerned with getting off cheap.


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  8. Hraefn

    Hraefn Verified Attorney

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    The policy states they may be denied boarding, not that they may be ejected with force after being allowed to board.
     
  9. shadowdancer

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    It was a false economy in the end.
     
  10. Gunslinging Granny

    Gunslinging Granny Well-Known Member

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  11. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Wow. He had already boarded. He wasn't "denied boarding". That would be different. He was yanked off the plane after boarding.

    It is very strange. I have noticed a sort of psychology in the US that doesn't exist in other westernized democracies. It's this attitude that people who assert their rights are being jerks but that corporations have the right to do whatever they want with us. Yank us bodily from a plane they purposefully overbooked so their employees can fly? No problem. The guy who booked his flight, paid, got to the airport on time, went through security, found his seat, and got settled- he's a miserable jerk who needs to do as he is told by the business. Because he supposedly "agreed to those terms" (actually he didn't. But let's go with that for a moment.)

    But when a person enters into an employment contract which involves a pension, and works for decades assuming he will be entitled to the pension he contracted for, suddenly he is greedy and has "no right" to those benefits, when the business decides to change its terms. I hear people argue that all the time.

    I find it strange how much we value and defend businesses over the rights and freedoms of individuals in this country. It's odd.
     
  12. margarita25

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    (O/T, I know a physician who was driving fast down the road in the middle of the night trying to get to a medical emergency at the hospital. He was pulled over for speeding, explained the situation to the cop, and the cop escorted/followed behind him all the way to the hospital. When the doctor got out of surgery, there was a speeding ticket waiting for him. The cop told him, "I understand you're trying to save a life, but you can't take one on the way there."
     
  13. LaneGirl

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    I cannot do thanks enough for this post so I'm quoting to thank you again!!!
     
  14. shadowdancer

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    It certainly sounds consistent with concussion, especially combined with the blood from the mouth and the behaviour displayed by the passenger after he returned to the plane.

    Of course we will know for sure when the lawsuit is filed and his medical report is submitted as evidence.
     
  15. Hraefn

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    Thank you! IMO, any attorney will have a field day if that is the actual policy language. It clearly does not apply to a situation after boarding has occurred. Glad you are here, Gitana.
     
  16. Cryptic

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    The contract allows the airline to change the travel plans- period. Before boarding or after boarding are not relevant.
    Nobody has a "right" to fly on a particular flight. Likewise, the man was free not to buy the ticket with a contract allowing changes and also free to charter a private flight where there is no chance of being bumped.

    In short, Freedoms of religion, speech, bearing arms, petitioning the government etc are rights. Travelling on a particular flight is not.
     
  17. Hraefn

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    Based on the policy language quoted it is very relevant, JMO.
     
  18. Cryptic

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    Not if 'boarding' is equivelant to 'travel'. My bet is that the fact that he was seated does not preclude him from being bumped.
     
  19. Cryptic

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    Whether or not better administrative decisions could have been made are irrelevant. The man signed a contract allowing modifications to be made to travel. The reasons for such modifications can be good, bad, or indifferent. When the man decided to force his way on a plane, he was risked getting hurt. He got hurt, and now blames the big evil company with deep pockets.
     
  20. shadowdancer

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    Here we go again. You say he forced his way onto the plane, and you have provided no evidence for this, presumably because none exists.
     

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