McCann vs. Ramsey Cases

[UKGuy]

UK I don't understand this response. Maddie is missing, but where is there any physical evidence that she was taken alive by a stranger?

Rino,

There is none, just as there is none to implicate the parents. For the parents to have killed their own daughter then arranged for her to vanish, whilst hosting a dinner and wine session without leaving any forensic evidence seems to stretch credibility somewhat?

Jane Tanner has stated she saw a man carrying a child away from the holiday complex.

The latest tabloid spin brings Murat back into the frame:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=504950&in_page_id=1770

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[Salem]

Rino,

There is none, just as there is none to implicate the parents. For the parents to have killed their own daughter then arranged for her to vanish, whilst hosting a dinner and wine session without leaving any forensic evidence seems to stretch credibility somewhat?

Jane Tanner has stated she saw a man carrying a child away from the holiday complex.

The latest tabloid spin brings Murat back into the frame:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=504950&in_page_id=1770

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How do you know that there is no evidence against the parents? They have been made official suspects. Murat has also been made a suspect, and it is assumed, that this is based on Jane Tanner's "sighting" along with Murat's early involvement in the case. If this counts as evidence against Murat, why is none of the "spin" printed against the parents considered "evidence"? It's all spin - however, I do not believe the Portugese Police would have named the parents as official suspects without some evidence.

In order to really analyze the case, it would be necessary to either apply the "spin" across the board against all suspects, or not apply it at all, against any suspect, I would think?

Salem

 

[UKGuy]

How do you know that there is no evidence against the parents? They have been made official suspects. Murat has also been made a suspect, and it is assumed, that this is based on Jane Tanner's "sighting" along with Murat's early involvement in the case. If this counts as evidence against Murat, why is none of the "spin" printed against the parents considered "evidence"? It's all spin - however, I do not believe the Portugese Police would have named the parents as official suspects without some evidence.

In order to really analyze the case, it would be necessary to either apply the "spin" across the board against all suspects, or not apply it at all, against any suspect, I would think?

Salem

Salem,
If there was any evidence implicating the parents they would not be sitting in the UK. Like the Ramsey case, the crime-scene was trashed by people coming and going, since the case was not initially treated as an abduction. The local police want to limit any negative publicity so they will spin and can place legal restrictions upon the McCann's since they have been named as suspects e.g. dont talk to the press.

The lack of forensic evidence is consistent with an abduction, e.g. a quick in and out affair, whilst with some parental involvement you would expect signs of a cleanup, and like the Ramsey case, staged features, including a legend to back it all up.


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[rashomon]

Salem,
If there was any evidence implicating the parents they would not be sitting in the UK.
Like the Ramsey case, the crime-scene was trashed by people coming and going, since the case was not initially treated as an abduction. The local police want to limit any negative publicity so they will spin and can place legal restrictions upon the McCann's since they have been named as suspects e.g. dont talk to the press.

The lack of forensic evidence is consistent with an abduction, e.g. a quick in and out affair, whilst with some parental involvement you would expect signs of a cleanup, and like the Ramsey case, staged features, including a legend to back it all up.

If the Praia da Luz cops and DA have been as incompetent as the Boulder police and DA, it would be not surprising at all that the McCanns are sitting in the UK now.
And from the way the McCann case has been handled so far, cynics might argue that in comparison to that, the Ramsey case investigation was a almost a model of its kind.
I personally don't believe that the McCanns had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance. I just wanted to point ou that the fact that the "are sitting in the UK" proves nothing whatsoever in terms of their guilt or innocence.

jmo

 

[UKGuy]

If the Praia da Luz cops and DA have been as incompetent as the Boulder police and DA, it would be not surprising at all that the McCanns are sitting in the UK now.
And from the way the McCann case has been handled so far, cynics might argue that in comparison to that, the Ramsey case investigation was a almost a model of its kind.
I personally don't believe that the McCanns had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance. I just wanted to point ou that the fact that the "are sitting in the UK" proves nothing whatsoever in terms of their guilt or innocence.

jmo

rashomon,

Point taken, but the Boulder police and DA analogy does not quite follow either does it?

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[DeeDee249]

The Ramsey case, the McCann case and the Holloway case all have one thing in common- police botch-ups at the very onset of the investigation. Some of the botch-ups are simply ineptitude, and some may be deliberate on the part of the investigators to protect the suspects. This was could have been the case with the Aruban authorities, as one suspect's father was a member of the judiciary.

As far as the McCann case- I haven't studied it nearly as much as this one.
Those witnesses who said Madeline was in her room at the "parental room check" intervals- did they go with the parents and SEE her with their own eyes, or did the parents return to the dinner and say all 3 kids were fine?

Has that suspect's home been searched- his mother questioned?

 

[Ames]

The Ramsey case, the McCann case and the Holloway case all have one thing in common- police botch-ups at the very onset of the investigation. Some of the botch-ups are simply ineptitude, and some may be deliberate on the part of the investigators to protect the suspects. This was could have been the case with the Aruban authorities, as one suspect's father was a member of the judiciary.

As far as the McCann case- I haven't studied it nearly as much as this one.
Those witnesses who said Madeline was in her room at the "parental room check" intervals- did they go with the parents and SEE her with their own eyes, or did the parents return to the dinner and say all 3 kids were fine?

Has that suspect's home been searched- his mother questioned?

Very good question...I was wondering this my own self.

 

[UKGuy]

The Ramsey case, the McCann case and the Holloway case all have one thing in common- police botch-ups at the very onset of the investigation. Some of the botch-ups are simply ineptitude, and some may be deliberate on the part of the investigators to protect the suspects. This was could have been the case with the Aruban authorities, as one suspect's father was a member of the judiciary.

As far as the McCann case- I haven't studied it nearly as much as this one.
Those witnesses who said Madeline was in her room at the "parental room check" intervals- did they go with the parents and SEE her with their own eyes, or did the parents return to the dinner and say all 3 kids were fine?

Has that suspect's home been searched- his mother questioned?

DeeDee249,
Those having dinner with the McCanns allegedly took turns in looking in on Madeline and the twins, whether there was eyeball contact with all children I have not seen reported, this aspect may be a grey area, in the sense that the McCanns may wish to play down the details here, since maybe the checks were not as frequent as suggested?

Robert Murat's mothers house as been searched from top to bottom, and sniffed inside and out by specialist cadaver sniffing dogs, with negative results.

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[BBB167893]

Thanks for the clarification, UKGuy.

 

[Albert18]

According to the Daily Mail, a respected Portuguese newspaper is reporting UK officials have confirmed that was Maddy's blood in the car. If that is true then this case is over. We just don't know how or why she died and what they did with her.

Even if true, the McCann's like the Ramsey's will still have their legions of supporters. That is a phenomena I truly do not understand.

 

[Solace]

According to the Daily Mail, a respected Portuguese newspaper is reporting UK officials have confirmed that was Maddy's blood in the car. If that is true then this case is over. We just don't know how or why she died and what they did with her.

Even if true, the McCann's like the Ramsey's will still have their legions of supporters. That is a phenomena I truly do not understand.

You don't by any chance have the article do you?

 

[Squishified]

Solace--Is this the link you wanted?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506725&in_page_id=1770

 

[DeeDee249]

So will this be yet another case where no one will be charged in the death of an innocent child despite evidence implicating a suspect(s)?
Is is Madeline's DNA or not? If it is...let's hear the parent's explanation for how it got there. If they say it belongs to their other kids- well then how did THEIR blood get there?

 

[BBB167893]

This gets progressively more interesting.

 

[Ames]

So will this be yet another case where no one will be charged in the death of an innocent child despite evidence implicating a suspect(s)?
Is is Madeline's DNA or not? If it is...let's hear the parent's explanation for how it got there. If they say it belongs to their other kids- well then how did THEIR blood get there?

From the article....

"It is understood that they are using a new technique called low copy number analysis, which allows them to find a genetic fingerprint from a tiny sample. The samples from the flat and the hire car were said to be damaged and of low quality, but police sources now claim the latest results are definitive."

They need to use this "new technique" on the sample that was found on JB.

Just about everyday, this case sounds more and more like the Ramsey case.

 

[Rino]

Just about everyday, this case sounds more and more like the Ramsey case.

Don't know yet. I firmly beleive the McCanns are guilty but unlike the Boulder DA it seems the LE and the prosecuters in the McCann case are not buddy buddy with their media machine, lawyers, spokesmen, friends etc.....

Time is on the side of the investigation, there is very little chance of her being recovered alive (imo) and I actually do have faith in the LE.

 

[Ames]

Don't know yet. I firmly beleive the McCanns are guilty but unlike the Boulder DA it seems the LE and the prosecuters in the McCann case are not buddy buddy with their media machine, lawyers, spokesmen, friends etc.....

Time is on the side of the investigation, there is very little chance of her being recovered alive (imo) and I actually do have faith in the LE.

I didn't mean as far as the investigation is concerned...I believe that eventually the truth WILL come out in this case. I was just referring to the similarities between the two. Daughter missing...probably dead...parents are suspects, DNA is small.....but, now they have new technology, so I believe an arrest will be made...and soon.

 

[Albert18]

If the parents were involved in her disappearance then it means one or more or all the friends at that table took steps to confuse the investigation. That is very disturbing to put it mildly.

 

[JMO8778]

Salem,
If there was any evidence implicating the parents they would not be sitting in the UK. Like the Ramsey case, the crime-scene was trashed by people coming and going, since the case was not initially treated as an abduction. The local police want to limit any negative publicity so they will spin and can place legal restrictions upon the McCann's since they have been named as suspects e.g. dont talk to the press.

The lack of forensic evidence is consistent with an abduction, e.g. a quick in and out affair, whilst with some parental involvement you would expect signs of a cleanup, and like the Ramsey case, staged features, including a legend to back it all up.


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..but you have to consider all aspects,including Madeline's parents behavior...and there is plenty to be suspect of there.
Put it all under a microscope,and I think you get a clearer picture.
For one,the t-shirt that says 'don't you forget about me'. ..HUH??? It sounds as if they already know she's dead.Otherwise,it would likely read HAVE YOU SEEN ME??? instead.
And then there's Kate running into the restaurant yelling 'they've taken her!'...a subconcious comment in ref. to those who carried her body away to hide it,IMO.At that point,if innocent,then she likely would have considered the possibility that Maddie had just wandered off.Who are 'they' anyway??How would she know this???
And last there's the website where they exploit her with the 'best sellers' link.That just makes my head hurt.

 

[LinasK]

According to the Daily Mail, a respected Portuguese newspaper is reporting UK officials have confirmed that was Maddy's blood in the car. If that is true then this case is over. We just don't know how or why she died and what they did with her.

Even if true, the McCann's like the Ramsey's will still have their legions of supporters. That is a phenomena I truly do not understand.

I was wondering what had become of the car evidence, the way I was treated in the McCann forum has kept me from actively following her case.