MD MD - Arundel Co., 3 Males UP2335, UP2336, UP4835, at state hospital, 1967 & 1972

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  1. vermontaigne

    vermontaigne New Member

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    In chronological order they are (with NamUs links):

    1. Male with grey or partially grey hair. No height, weight, age estimate, no estimate of how long deceased, no race listed. Found June 15, 1967, partial skeletal remains. He did have with him the following interesting items:

    Clothing on body:
    Gray cotton shirt, white t-shirt bears a label reading "Crownsville State Hospital," gray cotton pants, white underpants with thin line checked pattern

    Footwear:

    White sock

    Other items:

    Two magazines dated 1964, 3 inch pile of newspaper and magazine clippings dated 1964, Six "Blue Line" toothbrushes, plastic toy truck, radio condensor, vacuum tube, ballpoint pen, comments written on articles

    https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/4835

    2. Male, at least 35 years old. All skeletal parts recovered. Short and stocky. Advanced periodontal disease. Found March 10, 1972. Estimated to have died between 1971-72. "Possible prior head injury with brain surgery."

    Clothing on body:

    Olive "Marsten" brand trousers 50 cotton/50 poly size 38 waist, "Hanes" brand jockey underware size 42, Checkered yellow and blue "Marsten" brand shirt size M, t-shirt.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/2336

    3. White male, 20-30 years old. Estimated 5'5". Skeletal limbs missing. Found August 24, 1972, and estimated to have died about 6 months prior. No clothing mentioned.

    https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/2335

    Now, if that last one died 6 months prior, you'd think that maybe when they found UID #2, they might have done a general search of the grounds. And honestly, after locating #1 in clothing dispensed by the institution, and given the unique possessions found with #1, they'd kind of make it their business to tighten things up.

    But an overview of the sorry history of this institution, which began as Maryland's Home for Insane Negroes in 1911 (it was desegregated in 1963 and shut down in 2004), can be found here:

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...-pledges-maryland-state-archives-black-caucus

    There's blather about turning it into a medical park, maintaining the cemetery, and having an historical display about the place to remember the appalling treatment of the 'patients,' but nothing in the article about these UIDs. It seems that the Baltimore Sun, back in the 50s, ran a series of articles about the deplorable conditions there, which may have involved unauthorized medical/pharmaceutical experimentation, so, yeah, remember all you want, but maybe make a serious effort to find out who these unidentified dead people found on the grounds of the place were.

    Addendum: Here's one article archived at Google from the Baltimore Afro-American, 1947.
     
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  3. Paradise

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    I'm 29, so forgive me if this is common knowledge but I'm not sure what a radio condenser and a vacuum tube are? I couldn't really get any info on the radio condenser when I googled it. The vacuum tube sort of sounds like a battery? Were these two items used together to pick up a radio signal?
     
  4. vermontaigne

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    Old term for capacitor, it seems. It also seems that you'd perhaps need numerous other pieces to have a functioning radio, so these would perhaps have been bits of something the patient (I am assuming) had taken apart or found disassembled. Vacuum tubes largely replaced by transistors by this point, though they were still used in high-end stereophile and other equipment.
     
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    You are right. A condenser is a capacitor. The vacuum tube would not have been uncommon for the time. Many tvs and radios still used them. They were also popular with kit builders at the time. Various vacuum tubes had various functions, such as rectifying current, amplifying, etc. A single capacitor and vacuum tube would do nothing.
     
  6. Paradise

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    Ok, that makes sense. Everything I found online didn't only put those two items together to make a radio.

    From what I've read, that place was such a mess. It's not very surprising that #2 and #3 were found so close together time-wise.
     
  7. beachlvr0810

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    Ok help me out here...we have 3 dead men found on the grounds while this place was still in operation...nobody was missing from the hospital or the neighborhood so 3 men just decided to wander on to the property years apart and nobody knows nothing! Is that what you're saying?
     
  8. vermontaigne

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    Absolutely not saying that. The 1967 UID is in one of their shirts. One shows signs of cranial surgery. There's a 1973 article on one of the pay sites that I can't read that speaks of 9 inmates having gone missing, over what period of time I can't say. The graveyard has at least 1200 plots, marked with numbers, but without any corresponding records that would index the identities of the deceased. It appears that many or most were buried without autopsies.

    The facility was chronically underfunded and understaffed. There are stories of race protestors having been briefly sent there to intimidate them. There are stories of inmates having been loaned out on pittance wages as physical labor to farms. Many, if not most, of those committed there were never discharged. I guess it's possible one of these was not affiliated with the hospital, but I think the odds are that all three were patients, so-called.

    If you lived in MD in the period 2004 to present, you're probably aware of some of this, but none of the articles I've seen mentions the three UIDs.
     
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    Hot damn this is an interesting case!!!! A body, dead, on the very grounds that held him captive (I mean, the evidence was on his clothes!!!!) and no identity???? Someone has some 'splainin to do.....
     
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    I did some research a few months ago into some mental asylums of yesterday. There was one that has detailed records of the patients...I think it was in New Orleans. Fascinating read if you can find it. There is also a series of images taken by a photographer of the contents of suitcases that were found in storage at a asylum in New England. Basically, a lot of people who were comitted were abandoned by their family. Some of those who were comitted brought along or collected a strange assortment of objects.
     
  11. Paradise

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    This is so baffling, you would almost have to think that police checked these three UID's against the persons who were missing from Crownsville State Hospital. On the other hand, the place was corrupt and such an immense amount of abuse was going on and the patients were treated as throw-aways. It makes me wonder if no one ever took the time to delve into who these three persons were?
     
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    Yeah, you'd think that if someone were missing from the facility they'd want to do a general sweep of the grounds, rather than getting in the habit of discovering skeletal remains, for starters.
     
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    This is very cool! It's definitely something I would be interested in watching when it's finished. I love that they're not just focusing on speaking with physicians, they've interviewed a sheriff's deputy, the woman who was in charge of music therapy etc. These are the persons who had close contact with the patients and probably knew them the best.
     
  15. Classito

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    I doubt we will hear much from the staff about the real going ons...Seems like it was used as an human experimental lab...

    "Thirty-three lobotomies were performed on what doctors called “the feebleminded.” Fifty-six of the 1,800 patients were injected with malaria. Others were given hydrotherapy — alternate immersion in hot and cold water.
    One common and painful procedure was pneumoencephalography: drilling a hole in the skull and draining fluid from around the brain."

    But the sheriff has spoken out...
    "George Phelps, the county’s first black deputy sheriff, escorted countless African-Americans from the courthouse, where they had been convicted of serious crimes, to the hospital’s C Building for the criminally insane. Several tried to escape.
    Phelps, now 86, says the African-American community knew of the experimental therapy on patients suffering from syphilis and other diseases, but couldn’t do anything about it.

    Driven by curiosity, Phelps broke a lock on a building in the 1950s and entered a basement laboratory where he found jars of skulls and parts of women’s bodies. “I saw them with my own eyes, you understand? I was fascinated but disgusted.”

    http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/...cle_537e0188-f7f7-5c8b-9dcf-b4e41f741770.html


    Classito
     
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    That article was a fascinating and horrible read, these poor poor people. My suspicion is that these three UIDs were similarly experimented upon, and then disposed of...
     
  17. Richard

    Richard Active Member

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    Regarding the clothing found on one body which was marked "Crownsville State Hospital":

    Patients who were discharged from there in the 1990's were often discharged wearing such clothing. I know of one such case personally. The man had been discharged from Crownsville for several weeks, and yet was still wearing socks so marked which had been issued to him.

    I do not know what the laws and practices were in the 1960's and 70's regarding how long a person was to remain in a mental facility, but today they are pretty strict. The maximum time a person can be placed there initially is about 2 weeks. Unless there is some compelling reason to keep them longer, they are released.

    If someone is subsequently sent back to a mental facility, they might stay four or five months, before another determination has to be made regarding further hospitalization. Prior to release of such a patient, the hospital makes an effort to find some person on the outside who will agree to assist or be responsible for the patient.

    Again, this may not have been the practice back when these bodies were found. There are many stories of how patients became permanent residents of these facilities. The 1200 plot graveyard at Crownsville tends to bear this out.
     
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    I believe the same . Either experimented and disposed of or they tried to escape and just never made it out of the area.. but the fact that one of the persons was found wearing a shirt from the facility and nobody has a record of the person is just plain odd.. Something was def being covered up. its very sad. Here is a link which shows images of the hospital and patients in the 30s 40s 50s and 80s but for some reason skips the 60s and 70s which is the period that these guys were found.. I guess it was pretty bad there then.
    http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2015/01/crownsville-state-hospital/#36
     
  19. Nikon

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    Crownsville is a town near the state capitol of Maryland, Annapolis.

    Crownsville housed black patients. I believe it was always housed such. They did rudimentary experiments on them, cos you know, at the time they thought black people's lives didn't matter as much.

    These UIDs will have to cover a lot of ground. I'm going to assume all the UIDs are black until noted otherwise as I don't see any racial notes about them. Crownsville finally closed in 2004, so we have a lot of timelines to go over also. I'm also sure they didn't care to keep records on people they considered inferior at the time, either. I feel these cases won't be solved without some insider information.
     
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    They integrated in the early 60s.
     
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    Bumping...
    Can't help but to wonder if victim #2 had been lobotomized.
     

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