MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #2

Discussion in 'Crimes in the News' started by shadowraiths, Apr 20, 2015.

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  1. ShadyLady

    ShadyLady Well-Known Member

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    Are you new to WS? Some of us think we should wait for more evidence before saying any LE is guilty of a crime. This thread is exactly where we can discuss it.

    BTY, if anyone has been arrested for political reasons, left to dry and docked pay, I say they can be a victim, too. For now I think Cray was a victim of his environment, but jury is still out on if he was a victim of these 6 police officers.
     


  2. Curious Guy

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    How you ask? Haven't you heard? The new standard is presume that LE violate criminals "civil rights " every day all across the nation. I imagine this will be a highly publicized and politicized "investigation". They will probably uncover years old incidents of racists joke being told by some LE. Then a press conference will be held and an entire department will be demeaned and victory and justice for all will be declared.

    Unless the officer/s are innocent. No press conference to apologize for rushing to judgement will be held.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.

    All very much JMO
     
  3. DebinGA

    DebinGA New Member

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  4. Curious Guy

    Curious Guy Well-Known Member

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    Very well said Shady
     
  5. krimekat

    krimekat Amazed and Baffled

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    To deny the facts would be illogical - Spock

    I want to be privy to as many "facts" before making a determination on vilifying 6 officers of the law -- they were doing their jobs. FG was a known drug dealer to them. Also, I want to know if the knife is illegal or legal which IMHO nullifies some charges. More information is necessary IMHO & I also believe SA overcharged & charges will be dropped & Baltimore will burn.

    FG death is tragic. Just because it happened in LE custody doesn't mean LE murdered him. I have seen some people truly hurt themselves in handcuffs especially while on drugs (and note FG had some issues stemming from lead). Waiting for AT LEAST the autopsy to be given to the masses.

    need to see fact of a severed spine & crushed larynx -- lawyers lie all the time & get paid for it
     
  6. krimekat

    krimekat Amazed and Baffled

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    I was thinking that FG would be alive today if he was earlier incarcerated based on all the charges he accumulated
     
  7. DebinGA

    DebinGA New Member

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    The Baltimore medical examiner ruled FG's death a homicide. I doubt that means a crime was necessarily committed or was the result of an intentional act, but that someone/s actions led to the death of someone else. Right/Wrong? Does "homicide" automatically indicate wrongdoing occurred?

    Ofc. Goodson is charged with second degree murder with a "depraved heart" (depraved indifference). Which I've seen described by a prosecutor as: "the defendant caused loss of life intentionally and while showing a shocking indifference to human life."

    Whoa. Is there enough evidence to support that? I seriously doubt it, and there's no excuse for Mosby charging anyone with anything she knows she can't prove imo.
     
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    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    krimekat Amazed and Baffled

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    Wow -- talking head lawyers are really tearing into M Mosby's charging documents, probable cause statement & the fact that innocent people were charged (the 2 non-LE with similar names)

    Sounds like the Police Union attorneys totally have their ducks in a row unlike the State . . . I cannot imagine how this is going to play out! I mean, Law is the Law regardless what one wants to believe is true or "right" -- I'd HATE to be the Judge on this bench.

    Cannot wait to discuss the case (if it gets that far) but the damage is done to the 6 officers -- their careers are over & I foresee Baltimore being bankrupt & unable to pay out HUGE sums of $$$$$$$

    I cannot believe this is America :(
     
  10. dandy

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    paige crenshaw? was interviewed by cnn . . . let me see if the video's up yet
     
  11. krimekat

    krimekat Amazed and Baffled

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    OMG - the media/CNN is recycling through the initial Ferguson liars?
     
  12. dandy

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    lol - no! maybe i got the name wrong - the former atty who wrote editorial in yesterday's baltimore sun.

    can't find the interview yet - but heard her voice on radio - i think it was brooke baldwin who interviewed her

    edit - got 1/2 right/wrong . . . Page Croyder
     
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    Mayor R-B promised today that BPD officers will be wearing body cams by the end of the year. Back in Feb. she expressed concern for residents' privacy and suggested a remedy would be having officers remind residents they encounter that the camera is "on" and having officers turn camera "off" when asked.
     
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    I am speculating, because no one knows what actually happened. But, I do think it's been stated the only injury Gray sustained was the spinal fracture. That injury coincides with a bolt in the van. The crushed wind pipe that's been reported is not true.

    Again, this is SPECULATION.
     
  15. DebinGA

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    I imagine across America a mass spike in LE disability retirements citing PTSD from the last year's episodes alone. I bet the current LE standards will have to be reviewed and changed to fill the many vacant spots. When I lived in NC a few years ago, LE new hires had to have a college degree. I bet that will change now.
     
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    Most of the charges didn't stick.
     
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    I would like to hear the radio communication audio if there is any.
     
  19. bettybaby00

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    No homicide does not equal murder. I can't google Atm but there is definitely a difference and Mosby's statement "the ME has ruled his death a homicide" is misleading to many. Again, IMO this was
    Purposeful.

    And the Mayors comments last fall re: body cameras was ludicrous

    MOOOO
     
  20. Minette

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    Respectfully BBM. If the DA in the Michael Brown had thrown the book at Darren Wilson for murder or assault it might have stopped the rioting, too. But those charges, as shown by the subsequent St. Louis & DOJ investigations would have been bogus. I have not made up my mind in the Freddie Gray case as to whether any of the officers have been charged inappropriately, but if the only way to stop rioting and violence is to wrongly or over-charge officers then those doing the rioting are not in any way concerned with getting 'justice.' And to pander to violence ultimately perverts justice for everyone. IMO.
     
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