CONVICTION OVERTURNED MD - Hae Min Lee, 17, Baltimore, 13 Jan 1999

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Wow - this is amazing. I'm about half-way through the "Serial" podcast & did also see the HBO series a while back.

I agree there may not have been enough real physical evidence to convict him. However, based on the circumstantial evidence - he's probably guilty.

It will be interesting to see what the "new" evidence is, and also whether or not a new trial will be sought in this case.
 
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"Adnan Syed's murder conviction has been vacated after he served 23 years in prison for the murder of his girlfriend Hae Min Lee following a ruling on Monday in a Baltimore courtroom.

Following an hours long hearing in Baltimore's Circuit Court, Syed's 2000 conviction for the 1999 murder was vacated.

He is being released to home detention as the judge ordered a new trial. Circuit Court Judge Melissa M. Phinn said that her decision was 'in the interest of justice.' As the judge's ruling was read out, the courtroom erupted in applause."
 

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Conviction overturned and the judge ruled Adnan released under home detention. Orders a new trial.
This makes me so very happy. But also sad for Hae’s family.

I also believe both families were kept in the dark about the alternate suspects.

Hopefully now justice will be served on the real killer.

JMO IMO MOO
 

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His friend, Jay, was complicit and should have served time as well. How else did Jay, whom Adnan spent a good deal of his afternoon with, admittedly, know where the car was?

The prosecutors aren't naming the other suspects, but if Jay has no connection to them, then they are irrelevant imo.
 

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I'm really intruiged to see how this plays out. If Adnan didn't do it and someone else, does that mean all Jay's statements in the interviews were junk? This is what i could never get my head around in this case. Was Jay forced to lie? Blackmailed? Why else would you give testimony that wasn't true to convict one of your close friends. The whole case is bizarre.
He was selling drugs from his grandmother's house. If the police knew and gave him an out why wouldn't he take it?
Sounds like lying wasn't that unusual for him anyway!
I think the police thought they knew that Adnan did it. They made a timeline that fitted and found people to agree with it. (Wouldn't be hard to eventually convince a stoner kid that it was true! Especially if it kept him out of trouble too)
 

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Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, whose office represented the state during Syed's appeals, issued a statement Monday evening saying that "among the other serious problems with the motion to vacate, the allegations related to Brady violations are incorrect."

"Neither State's Attorney Mosby nor anyone from her office bothered to consult with either the Assistant State's Attorney who prosecuted the case or with anyone in my office regarding these alleged violations," Frosh said. "The file in this case was made available on several occasions to the defense."

Thank goodness someone still has some common sense.
 

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He was selling drugs from his grandmother's house. If the police knew and gave him an out why wouldn't he take it?
Sounds like lying wasn't that unusual for him anyway!
I think the police thought they knew that Adnan did it. They made a timeline that fitted and found people to agree with it. (Wouldn't be hard to eventually convince a stoner kid that it was true! Especially if it kept him out of trouble too)
Yeah, that's where my head is at as well. I kept coming back to the episode of Serial where they go and talk to Jay and his reaction to Adnan maintaining his innocence was, "I can't believe he's still lying."

It would make sense that the police told him they knew Adnan did it but they needed a witness to solidify their case. They put Jay in a position where they could get him on other charges if he didn't cooperate and they convinced him that Adnan was this dangerous murderer. They said a lot on Serial that Jay and Adnan were more acquaintances than friends, so it would also make sense if Jay didn't know Adnan well enough to reject this theory about him and he didn't really care about the consequences of implementing him because they weren't really friends to begin with (and he needed to save himself from other charges). IMO

Definitely speculation but just trying to think through the Jay piece. I'm wondering how Jay will fit into the investigation of the new suspects, if at all. And curious if there are any consequences at this point if this all proves that he was lying under oath.
 

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"Adnan Syed's murder conviction has been vacated after he served 23 years in prison for the murder of his girlfriend Hae Min Lee following a ruling on Monday in a Baltimore courtroom.

Following an hours long hearing in Baltimore's Circuit Court, Syed's 2000 conviction for the 1999 murder was vacated.

He is being released to home detention as the judge ordered a new trial. Circuit Court Judge Melissa M. Phinn said that her decision was 'in the interest of justice.' As the judge's ruling was read out, the courtroom erupted in applause."
I hope they find out who really killed Lee. So sad that they had the wrong guy all this time while the real killer was out free.
 

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Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, whose office represented the state during Syed's appeals, issued a statement Monday evening saying that "among the other serious problems with the motion to vacate, the allegations related to Brady violations are incorrect."

"Neither State's Attorney Mosby nor anyone from her office bothered to consult with either the Assistant State's Attorney who prosecuted the case or with anyone in my office regarding these alleged violations," Frosh said. "The file in this case was made available on several occasions to the defense."

Thank goodness someone still has some common sense.

I don't understand. Is the attorney general in a different office than the state's attorneys?
 

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I don't understand. Is the attorney general in a different office than the state's attorneys?
That was my question too. Here is what I found:
What is the difference between the Maryland Attorney General and Local State's Attorneys?
The Attorney General is the legal counsel for the State of Maryland. In comparison, State's Attorneys represent each county and Baltimore City and they are responsible for prosecuting crimes against persons and non-state entities. As such, this office provides legal advice and assistance to state agencies, and investigates and prosecutes crimes against the state. In Maryland, State's Attorneys are independently elected officials and do not come under the authority or supervision of the Attorney General. The decision to prosecute a criminal case or not, lies within the sound discretion of the State's Attorney.

 

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I hope they find out who really killed Lee. So sad that they had the wrong guy all this time while the real killer was out free.

Her clothes and her rape kit were never tested for dna until now. I’m willing to bet they got some results back and that’s why they rushed this, even though publicly they’ve said they don’t know anything yet. This is just speculation on my part tho
 

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Her clothes and her rape kit were never tested for dna until now. I’m willing to bet they got some results back and that’s why they rushed this, even though publicly they’ve said they don’t know anything yet. This is just speculation on my part tho
Why wouldn’t they test it for DNA?!!
 

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Why wouldn’t they test it for DNA?!!
My suspicion... apparently they were under a lot of pressure from the Korean community because of a murder that had happened not long before Hae was killed... I imagine they wanted to get this solved as quickly as possible for that reason, so they set their sights on Adnan. DNA from another person might have complicated that. I don't know that this is definitely what happened obviously but I'm not sure of any other reason why they wouldn't have tested it
 

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Her clothes and her rape kit were never tested for dna until now. I’m willing to bet they got some results back and that’s why they rushed this, even though publicly they’ve said they don’t know anything yet. This is just speculation on my part tho
I don’t think they have the results just yet. I think the state will recharge AS and then drop the charge if/when they don’t implicate AS.
 

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Yeah, that's where my head is at as well. I kept coming back to the episode of Serial where they go and talk to Jay and his reaction to Adnan maintaining his innocence was, "I can't believe he's still lying."

It would make sense that the police told him they knew Adnan did it but they needed a witness to solidify their case. They put Jay in a position where they could get him on other charges if he didn't cooperate and they convinced him that Adnan was this dangerous murderer. They said a lot on Serial that Jay and Adnan were more acquaintances than friends, so it would also make sense if Jay didn't know Adnan well enough to reject this theory about him and he didn't really care about the consequences of implementing him because they weren't really friends to begin with (and he needed to save himself from other charges). IMO

Definitely speculation but just trying to think through the Jay piece. I'm wondering how Jay will fit into the investigation of the new suspects, if at all. And curious if there are any consequences at this point if this all proves that he was lying under oath.

I agree. I think was what also interesting is that on the update on the serial podcast didn't they say that the detective that interviewed Jay was the same corrupt one that had put another person away who was found to be innocent?

I wonder what will happen with Jay now.
 

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Does anybody know the motive to kill Hae?

Not talking about her ex boyfriend but what would the motive be for others to want t kill her?
 

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So ,I had a lot of fun researching so many different things about this case and it really interesting connections all over the place. I think he is actually innocent. Anyway the video store JAY worked at was close to Jackie's hair place ,which is right around the corner from where Joe Methany lived (murderer) .Not connected to the case at all ,just like the places are on the same strip. Anyway I hope to see them name the suspects..
 
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So ,I had a lot of fun researching so many different things about this case and it really interesting connections all over the place. I think he is actually innocent. Anyway the video store JAY worked at was close to Jackie's hair place ,which is right around the corner from where Joe Methany lived (murderer) .Not connected to the case at all ,just like the places are on the same strip. Anyway I hope to see them name the suspects..

I’ve been following this case for a long time and I think he is innocent as well. I would be very shocked if it turned out he actually did it.

I hope they reopen the case and investigate the other suspects. I’m interested to know who they are and why they were not named to begin with.
 
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