ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 7

[tlcya]

http://www.kjonline.com/news/Blood-found-at-missing-toddlers-home-is-Ayla-Reynolds.html

"The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood," he said.

OT yay, I finally figured out cutting and pasting along with linking on this tablet. Woot woot!

 

[maedlamsmom]

We all know info is kept close to the vest in many investigations---especially after Casey Anthony...I can't recall a time when I've seen a police dept. outright lie to the public...but that seems to have happened here. At any rate, I hope something breaks and soon...



That's weird, because TR says it was Ayla's...

I wouldn't call it lying. I would call it creative sidestepping. I think LE do this all the time in press conferences and statements. Otherwise, statements like, "the families are fully cooperating" when LE believes that the family is in fact lying to them could be construed as a lie, too. They are still saying that not all the blood has been accounted for, so this statement is not a lie, it just omits the information that SOME of it HAS been determined to be Ayla's. I think LE is being very smart. They are releasing just bits of info to keep the "mystery" of Ayla in the public eye and interest, therefore keeping the public pressure on JD always increasing.

 

[HiHater]

I wouldn't call it lying. I would call it creative sidestepping. I think LE do this all the time in press conferences and statements. Otherwise, statements like, "the families are fully cooperating" when LE believes that the family is in fact lying to them could be construed as a lie, too. They are still saying that not all the blood has been accounted for, so this statement is not a lie, it just omits the information that SOME of it HAS been determined to be Ayla's. I think LE is being very smart. They are releasing just bits of info to keep the "mystery" of Ayla in the public eye and interest, therefore keeping the public pressure on JD always increasing.

Touche...thanks for this input!

 

[~n/t~]

What I don't get is the blood was found in the basement. If Ayla was fatally injured, there would be a lot more blood and perhaps a trail?

Were cadaver or scent dogs brought into the home?

 

[cluciano63]

I think cadaver dogs were used at one point, but we have not heard if they had a "hit", which does not mean they didn't. Perhaps they did not feel they should release this info (if there was a hit) since it has done little good in Lisa's case.

 

[naturallyme]

Ok, my mind has gone temporarily blank... at least I hope it's temporary.
Why on earth would there be someone else's blood in the basement besides Ayla's?? What happened down there? Did someone dismember her body and accidentally cut themselves too?
This is giving me a horrible, sick feeling.
My heart goes out to the mom, she must be devastated. Like some of you, I have never thought badly of her or that she had anything to do with this. I'm saying prayers for her right now.

Other blood could indicate that someone else was injured.

The other blood could also be old blood from someone else that got a small cut or something, at an earlier time.

I think the labs are separating all blood for owner, age, and what happened.
Perhaps the reason for more testing.

 

[tlcya]

A fatal injury such a head trauma could involve enough blood to be described as more than what could be expected from a small cut or wound, whie at the same time not being a bloody crme scene with spatter and trails and whatnot.

 

[~n/t~]

I think cadaver dogs were used at one point, but we have not heard if they had a "hit", which does not mean they didn't. Perhaps they did not feel they should release this info (if there was a hit) since it has done little good in Lisa's case.

What about bloodhounds? Would it be too late now?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

OT

I sincerely apologize for the deplorable typing as result of this tablet. I miss my keyboard!

I didn't even notice any difficulties in your posts!

Keep your insights coming! :seeya:

 

[deoneta]

What I don't get is the blood was found in the basement. If Ayla was fatally injured, there would be a lot more blood and perhaps a trail?

Were cadaver or scent dogs brought into the home?

The only reported use of cadaver dogs was in he early searching. If they were used in the home, it was not repeated in the media. It sounds as though the blood had been cleaned up, but luminol made what remained visible. On crime documentaries, I've seen experts who can estimate the amount of blood loss based on what's left after a clean up. I am guessing only trace amounts left. If the blood were on carpet, the carpet might have been cleaned, but the padding underneath forgotten about. Lots of possibilities. All MOO

 

[cluciano63]

What about bloodhounds? Would it be too late now?

I don't know. But if they could trace Ayla at all, I would guess the scent would end outside, where she was probably put into a vehicle anyway.

 

[Janeumayer]

I can't help but think that maybe there was some drug deal related violence involved? Can't forget about the loud noise and the car in the morning hours. Plus neighbors stating people were seen coming and going.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

No problem, I didn't see any of yours, too busy trying to correct my own. If you see lots of edits or typos from me now or in the future, try to look over. I have ET (Essential Tremors). It is almost controlled with medication, but still tedious task like typing, threading a needle, playing a piano are not very easy. To prevent so many typos, I type with only one finger of each hand, better control that way.

Anyway, that's my excuse for all the typos and edits.

You seem to be typing so well to me!
I am sorry you have to deal with Essential Tremors! It must be frustrating and exhausting trying to fight it! :heartbeat:

 

[mahoolin]

IMHO the family in the short time they cared for Ayla doesn't appear to have a great track record for calling 911 or heading immediately to ER in emergencies. What if whatever happened was an accident, or even if it wasn't and they hesitated to get that poor little baby medical care and she passed during the night?

With mom already complaining about abuse and neglect during visits, and drugs wrapped into things somehow, maybe they didn't make the smartest decision and decided to go with the kidnapped child route. Not everyone makes the smartest decisions during the best of times, let alone during highly stressful situations.

Yes dad is young, but I haven't read anywhere that dad was physically abusive, other than insinuation from PD he'd "take care of" (paraphrasing here) who took Ayla, and she seems a bit unreliable. Sure it mentioned a bad temper, but we all know many with ferocious tempers that are nothing but pussycats where children are concerned. And mom, with her substance abuse with child removed from care - young, frustrated and learning to share Ayla with dad, who wouldn't scrutinize every mark on a child? I'm sure I would.

Falls happen, accidents happen - we've all heard tales of children injured accidentally by parents, but it doesn't mean there is abuse present. I had bruises from head to foot, all up and down my skinny shins etc my whole childhood - and I was NOT abused. I was an enthusiastic child and not afraid of much - knocked out teeth, sprains and horrible cuts, but NOT abused.

Am I anxious to find out what happened to this child and want her home? Absolutely - something's not right about this situation and Ayla went missing on dad's watch. I can't however in good faith state that all the signs of abuse are there in this situation, and ready the gallows. I might be wrong, but from what I've read in what has been released to the public, NO. Neglect causing injury, possibility. :twocents:

All of the above - MHO and theory of an alternate point of view.
So, go ahead - fire away.
:truce:

 

[Jan]

How old and how big is Courtney's son? Does he talk very well yet? Could he have pushed Ayla down the basement stairs? Could he have hit her on the head with something either accidentally or purposely, or pushed her down so she cut her head on something? Can he speak enough for the police to ask him any questions? Did the basement have a sump pump hole in the floor with water in it that Ayla could have fallen into and drowned? I am wondering if something happened to Ayla earlier on the 16th and if that's why she missed her doctor's appointment with the specialist about her broken arm. Did the grandmother take Ayla out of the house with her when she went somewhere and didn't come home that night? If Justin left the house between midnight and 3 a.m. as some people have said, where did he go? Did Justin play with Ayla by tossing her high in the air and then catching her as many men to--only she hit her head on the basement ceiling or he missed her and she fell to the floor? I'm just trying to think of some possibilities. Has anyone asked Justin why Ayla missed her appointment with the specialist on the 16th about her arm? Did he cancel the appointment--or just miss it--or did the doctor cancel for some reason. Had the doctor's office called to confirm the appointment as most do? If Ayla had a doctor appointment in Portland, why didn't Justin and Ayla go there to visit Courtney for the weekend after the doctor visit. When did she drive to Waterville when he had to come to Portland that weekend anyway. Just some thoughts. I wish we had more answers. Can forensics workers tell how long Ayla's blood was in the basement--how old the blood was?

 

[cluciano63]

Well the blood can't be very old, since Ayla had not been visiting her father for very many months, if I remember correctly. I mean, how many times did she bleed while in his care, anyway?

 

[~n/t~]

I can't help but think that maybe there was some drug deal related violence involved? Can't forget about the loud noise and the car in the morning hours. Plus neighbors stating people were seen coming and going.

I wondered about that also. I haven't been following this case as closely as the others but recall it being mentioned early on that there were people coming and going. Tonight I heard the police spokesperson say only 3 people were in the home so I was a little confused about that.

 

[Dr. Know?]

This is just my op. The blood samples being tested may just be all of Ayla's but needs to be tested and confirmed. It could be grandma cut her foot in the basement or dad was shaving, cough...After all of it is identified to be Ayla's they will have a blood pattern to decide how she was harmed. It doesn't sound good. It sounds violent to me.

It doesn't sound good that dad walked out on an interview with LE when shown the luminol test, not at all.

Right now I'm going to say maybe some of the adults believe she was kidnapped only because people can be fooled by their loved ones, friends, coworkers etc... Look at the bad babysitters caught on camera beating children? With little Ayla having an arm hurt, I feel daddy has hurt her before and daddy did it again. Hopefully, if anyone has lied to investigators, they would be fessing up right now.

 

[~n/t~]

I don't believe in covered up "accidents". Normal parents call 911. Period.

 

[~n/t~]

Ayla's mom has another son? How old is he? I'm guessing JD is not the dad.