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Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by JBRMod2, Mar 12, 2005.

  1. boomburger

    boomburger Well-Known Member

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    I believe Burke killed her accidentally, not once do I believe him to be a psychopath who did it on purpose, I think he had explosive anger, which showed that Christmas night, she angered him and he hit her over the head with an unknown object.

    I really do wish he had ran to his parents after realising JB wouldn't wake up, and then they might have been able to get an ambulance and save her, and JB when she's older could tell friends how her brother almost killed her as an interesting tale.
     


  2. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Rain on my Parade,
    Anyone know what the ATM technology was like in USA 1996. Nowadays when you withdraw via ATM one of those discreet peephole cameras takes a snap to go with the withdrawal.

    Was this the case in 1996?
     
  3. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Tobiano8th,
    Prior sexual abuse can be distinct from the injuries inflicted on JonBenet on the night of her death.

    The pediatrician's loyalty was to the parents, they paid his fees, not the State or BPD.

    Consider that both Burke and JonBenet were seeing a therapist, this is before JonBenet's death. So why does a six-year old need a therapist, go figure?

    Stuff was going on in the Ramsey household, of which both parents were fully aware. Attempts at medical intervention will have been recorded in the pediatrician's records, prognosis, treatment, fees etc.

    All stuff the Ramsey's battled to keep away from the BPD investigators eyes, apparently the pediatrician burned all his Ramsey records at a later date.

    He never said if he incinerated any others.

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  4. Beltonian

    Beltonian Well-Known Member

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    I am sure that therapist knows so much! Sure he/she was questioned. Is it still a Doctor Patient confidentiality or they had to disclose what he knew to LE?
     
  5. Rain on my Parade

    Rain on my Parade Well-Known Member

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    UKGuy,
    I suppose there was no video of this transaction:
    Bryan Morgan wrote to Detective Thomas on March 4 stating that John Andrew had made an ATM transaction at the QT Store on Roswell Road, in Marietta, Georgia, at 9:00 P.M. on December 25. His friend Brad Millard had been present. To support his claim, Morgan enclosed the ATM transaction slip.
     
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  6. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Beltonian
    Doctor Patient confidentiality is something a Doctor can claim, but its not inviolate or statute law.

    Its a bit like clerical law where religious courts allow priests confession box confidentiality, but in practice over a large whisky in a private room, all can be disclosed.

    As a last resort Doctors, Lawyers, Clerics are simply issued with a subpoena to reveal all under pain of a court appearance, most quietly acquiesce and discreetly hand over the required material.

    Hence the pediatrician burning the evidence, i.e. no court order is relevant.

    I've never seen any reference to the therapist being interviewed but I assume they must have?

    Remember JR requesting an Island of privacy around the children's medical records? This will be why revealing that JonBenet was in therapy would offer everyone else a big clue as to what was going on?

    If the case is BDI then it looks like BPD investigators did some kind of backroom deal with the R's, as they knew the case would never reach court, this would explain why during interviews the investigators singularly failed with obvious follow up questions?

    Once JR leaves us the therapist might do an off the record interview confirming or dis-confirming everyone's suspicions?

    Any GJ restrictions will likely be ignored as the case is old and has cold-case status.


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  7. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Rain on my Parade,
    Yes, this seems like solid alibi evidence. I've never really considered JAR a person of interest in JonBenet's death.

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  8. ekardh

    ekardh Well-Known Member

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    See, I could perhaps buy this, but it means that Patsy and/or John then decided to garrote their daughter's still-warm body. And remember, the garrote had been wound so tightly the wire was almost invisible.

    If JonBenet had only suffered a head wound, why not pretend she'd fallen down the stairs or slipped in the bathtub? Why stage such an elaborate hoax that involved garroting their own daughter? It just doesn't add up.

    IMO, whoever garroted JonBenet did it for their own satisfaction, not as part of a cover-up.
     
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  9. boomburger

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    I wrote about it in a previous post but, I believe Burke made himself a toggle rope and used it to drag the unconscious JB down into the basement, as a super childish way to hide what he had done. He would have learned how to make them during his time at boy scouts. With the rope wrapped around her neck and the dragging, he would have inadvertently killed her by compressing her neck thus cutting off blood supply to her brain.
     
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  10. Swirlz

    Swirlz Well-Known Member

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    @UKGuy Do you have the rest of the quote? Thanks.
     
  11. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

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    There would be other bruises on her body if she had fallen down the stairs.
     
  12. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

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    The part where the rope was being pulled would've pulled away from the body.
     
  13. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Swirlz,

    Foreign Faction, Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet, James Kolar, page 38
    Similar description and phrases are used in other books. I've started to re-read Kolar's book as I'm trying to get a handle on his theory, so far it looks like Kolar thinks there are Christmas gifts involved we know nothing about.

    The reason is quite plausible, i.e. all the details regarding Christmas gifts found in the basement have not been released!

    It appears there is more to be divulged?

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  14. ekardh

    ekardh Well-Known Member

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    Then replicate those bruises. Less complicated than staging a home invasion.
     
  15. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

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    There's no way medical personnel would be able to tell if a bruise was fake or not, right?
     
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  16. ekardh

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    I never said anything about faking bruises.
     
  17. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me Well-Known Member

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  18. ekardh

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    Thanks for that. "Replicate" means to copy or reproduce something. Only in the very loosest definition of the word could it mean "fake".

    Are you taking refuge in semantics because staging an accident is less complicated than staging a home invader and ransom plot?
     
  19. Logic101

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    I think what is so confusing to some of you is the fact that in 1996 FAO Schwarz had the same wrapping paper and boxes for all their gifts, whether for a birthday, Christmas or whatever the occasion! I know because I bought a few presents from their Atlanta store. So, those packages in the basement were not explicitly for Christmas!
     
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  20. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Logic101,
    Yes, but many were. The contents of the wrapped and partially wrapped gifts have never been made public.

    So we are limited to Patsy or John telling us they hid Burke's Birthday gifts in the wine-cellar.

    Now is this factually correct or were they placed there postmortem?

    Its likely Burke was searching the basement for other Christmas gifts, he probably knew that there were more gifts to come when they were on vacation?

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