Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #18

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    From Barbie Nadeau's Twitter:
    Tentative Schedule for Knox/Solletio appeal, Sep 2011:

    :partyguy2::up:

    tent #amandaknox sched:
    5/6 forensics;
    7 prosecution close;
    8 civil close;
    9 sollecito close;
    10-knox close;
    26/27 rebuttal;

    28-verdict

    So tentatively, at least, the closing and rebuttal run from the 10th-27, with the verdict on Sep 28. Let us hope it does not get protracted!:crazy:

    https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=#amandaknox
     
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    Thank you SMK!

    Salem
     
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    Most welcome! :)
     
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    http://amandaknoxappealforum.blogspot.com/2011/09/amanda-knox-appeal-patrizia-stefanoni.html
     
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    It really doesn't matter what Filomina said, does it? The police did the investigation, so what they said matters. Does it matter whether it was a sock or a shirt? We have to assume that Filomina lied in order to omit the fact that the room was ransacked before the window was broken. Why would she lie? Why did Knox and Laura not provide testimony that Filomina's bedroom always had clothes strewn all over the floor? Is it because it isn't true?

    How would the two burglars that broke into the cottage get through the kitchen window? They climbed up over the balcony using the door grate from the flat below, and crawled in through the window.
     
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    Here is more on the schedule (or as Google translate would have it, the "ladder":floorlaugh: )

    http://www.lanazione.it/cronaca/201...h_ecco_possibile_scaletta_delle_udienze.shtml
     
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    Again, we have to assume that Filomina lied and both Knox and Laura kept quiet about it. The laptop was on top of the clothes, so if there was glass on the laptop, then the window was broken after the laptop was placed on the floor.
     
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    Yes, I posted this link earlier, before the new thread. I feel very deeply for Meredith's sister; indeed, for her whole family. Of course she will never be forgotten, but I cannot agree that if the convictions are overturned, that this would mean she IS forgotten. No. I understand they follow the beliefs of their attorney. Though I cannot endorse it, I understand it. As the sister wisely says that they will "place their faith in the institutions of justice", I hope that IF - IF - the convictions are overturned , they view this as fitting and proper.
     
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    According to the letter, it sounds like the family is having difficulties understanding why so much emphasis is placed on 2 pieces of evidence when there is blood evidence throughout the crime scene and 10,000 pages of evidence.

    "Over the last week we have waited anxiously and with great concern as the rumours surrounding the original DNA evidence findings are spreading. We find it extremely difficult to comprehend how the evidence that was so carefully developed and presented in the first hearing was valid, yet how it now seems to carry a slight chance it will become irrelevant. How can only a small amount of DNA evidence be deemed countless, when the independent review team have no answer for exactly how much should be counted? It should also [be] remembered that both parties the Prosecution and the Defence also had their own forensic teams involved in the first hearing, in addition to the Rome experts.

    The Defence teams seem to focus and rely heavily on these two pieces of DNA evidence, but can we just remember for a moment what this case is actually about, my sister, a daughter brutally and selfishly taken from us nearing 4 years ago and yet not a single day goes by that we can grasp any peace or closure. Anyone reading this or following this case, please remember our beautiful Meredith. Her blood with mixed traces spread throuh the bathroom, corridor and Filomena's bedroom as well as several blood footprints. Remember too all that other evidence that has been presented in this case so far, 10,000 pages of evidence.

    We still have confidence in the Perugia police and every faith in all those involved in court and the investigation. We ask that the Court of Appeal assess every single piece of evidence, both scientific and circumstantial as well as any witnesses who have taken the stand independently of any other information or media. Amongst the media frenzy that has developed throughout, Meredith has been forgotten because she is no longer with us, yet this should be about her and what really happened on that tragic evening. We have not forgotten her and we will continue our fight for justice with the continued support of our lawyer Francesca Maresca and his team, the Police and Prosecution and all those involved in Italy as well as everyone all over the world who still thinks of us and Mez."

    The last paragraph is about setting up an annual scholarship with the University of Perugia to offer a place for a student to live while attending the University.
     
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    Yes, I read the whole piece this morning - the scholarship is a lovely idea. They are very decent and bereaved people. Of course they must follow what their counsel has told them to be the case. I do not agree, and I do not believe freeing Knox and Sollecito will be in any way an injustice to Meredith.
     
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    otto,

    Filomena may be remembering what things looked like after she herself inadvertantly placed glass on her clothes after brushing it off her laptop, as Malkmus suggested. Also, if the clothes were there before the window was broken (Filomena was in a hurry that day), then her memory may be accurate with respect to the glass but the interpretation is not what the prosecution claimed.
     
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    otto,

    The claims made about about the DNA evidence from the first hearing are debatable at best. The prosecution failed to provide the defense with the electronic data files, despite multiple requests. Without them, the defense did not have a fair chance of fully rebutting the evidence. However, I thought that Sara Gino and Adriano Tagliabracci raised some very good points during the first trial (though they also made some tactical errors, IMO). The are luminol-positive footprints in the corridor; there is no good reason to assume that they are blood. Maresca ought to be ashamed of himself.
     
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    I feel for Meredith's sister but she is wrong. The reason for the trial is Meredith's murder but the trial is to determine the guilt or innocence of Raffaele and the Knox girl. If she is getting her information from the police, prosecution, and Maresca without looking at the defense appeal and the vast amount of information available on the web then she is getting only one side of things. That is unfortunate, in my opinion.
     
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    The facts of the case are that the clothes were not thrown all over the floor by Filomina and no one has testified that she normally threw her clothes all over the floor. The facts of the case are that the broken glass was on top of the clothes that were thrown all over the floor.

    If we change the facts of the case and assume that Filomina threw her clothes all over the floor and that there was no glass on those clothes until Filomina put it there, then certainly there would be different conclusions. Bottom line, though, is that we can't change the facts of the case to suit the outcome that we prefer ... gotta work with the facts as they are.
     
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    Why should the victim's lawyer be ashamed of himself? Meredith's sister wrote the letter and apparently she's not falling for the "it must have been grapefruit juice" line.
     
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    She's fluent in Italian, so I suspect that she is very familiar with the facts of the case ... not influenced by media reports or relying on second hand information.
     
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    otto,

    There is no photographic evidence that the glass was on top of the clothes. That is the elephant in the room for your theory. Statements to the effect that Filomena was a neat person are vague to the point of being essentially meaningless.

    There is another problem with Massei's version of events. Officer Pasquali reconstructed the rock throwing. If the glass distribution is consistent with his reconstruction, then it is inconsistent with Massei's version of how the window was broken. Moreover, Massei's version was not put to an experimental test.
     
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    This suggests that there is photographic evidence of the glass on top:

    "... as has already been observed (the room was turned upside-down), involved the movement of objects and [44] thus also of pieces of glass, thus rendering the situation which was subsequently photographed somewhat different from the one described by the witnesses. Therefore, the presence of glass on top of the various objects scattered on the floor all over the place is considered as supporting proof of the testimony that is not falsified by the photos. It is certain that the presence of pieces of glass on top of objects found out of their place cannot but suggest a simulation, since the throwing of the stone and the breaking and falling of the glass must have happened when Romanelli's room was as she left it, and in particular pieces of glass should not have been found on top of objects supposedly thrown around by the phantom burglar, who was only supposed to have entered the room after breaking the window, so that the clothing and the objects would have actually been tossed down on top of the glass."

    Ref: pg 55; http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

    Since Guede had previously entered the law office by climbing up the door grate onto the balcony and in through the French doors, why wouldn't he do the same thing in this case. It was far easier to climb up over the balcony and in through the kitchen window than to scale a wall that was visible from the street a few times - especially since he didn't know if the window was locked. Furthermore, there is no evidence of broken glass on the ground below the window, making it very unlikely that anyone actually climbed in through that window.
     
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