Mexico - Arlington TX Firefighter Elijah Snow, wed anniversary found dead at Cancun resort, Jul 2021

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  1. abstr

    abstr Well-Known Member

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    Were the photos from the medical examiner or funeral home ( that FIL took) ? I can’t imagine a medical examiner would release that quickly. I also can’t imagine the funeral home would allow a family in the preparation room. Maybe it is different outside the US. In the US exposure to embalming chemicals, regulations and pure respect for families would never allow any family member in that area.
    In the US if a family member posted pics from a prep room the inspectors would descend the next day!
    I work in compliance in this area and am all kinds of upset.
    Are the pictures from family or were provided to family?
     


  2. Strangeworld

    Strangeworld Well-Known Member

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    This could also just be where they took hair samples
     
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  3. TDoc72

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    Snipped by me

    To me, it looks like he’s on a metal table and rolled onto his side for the photo. I don’t get the sense that he’s standing at all. Yes, I do see there is a tile wall behind him.
     
  4. Sunny Day

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    I thought the same thing, that it looked like some sort of cover or frame had been removed from the window.
     
  5. Wild Rose

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    I did not look at the photos, not up to it, but wanted to add that we found a deceased male hanging out of a window once. He was an older gentleman who had a heart attack, during the episode, he fell halfway out the window. So these things do happen, where a body can fall halfway out a window. I do not remember if it contributed to his death, or the heart attack was immediately fatal. But it was an anomaly of a more typical death, but these things do happen. Also, blood pooling usually was dependent on passage of time after death until found and usually dependent on gravity over time.
     
  6. Bit of hope

    Bit of hope Have a nice day!

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    So sorry.....IMO you did nothing wrong...read you did the best you can. I noticed the strange eye-looking thing too, but I'm not used to look at injured or death bodies in real life (except those close to me) Not that I want to be right, don't know how to say it....I did mention the Daily Fail...My experience is that they mess things up and even make things up.
     
  7. Dutcher

    Dutcher Amateur Sleuth - Should stick to my day job.

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    Some observations and speculation…

    About the autopsy
    1. I do not believe the autopsy photos are fake.
    2. The body is lying on a typical autopsy table, with raised edges.
    3. Livor mortis sets in after ca. 3 hours, but is most visible after 8 to 12 hours.
    4. With the body semi-upright, I expect most of the blood pooling to occur in the lower legs and the abdomen — both not visible in any of the pictures.
    5. The left hand in the autopsy picture isn't holding onto anything.

    About the incident

    1. The fact that his shirt seems to only cover his shoulders and arms, leads me to believe he went in legs first.
    2. Judged by the height of shower fixtures, I believe the victim's feet are not touching the ground.
    3. With no footing, all of his body weight rests on his torso.
    4. The victim got stuck, had nothing to hold onto to pull himself out and he couldn't eject himself by pushing against a wall or even the floor with his feet.
    5. This caused the victim to quickly suffocate.
    All JMO, of course.
     
  8. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if already posted - this just popped up on my feed and I came right here:

     
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  9. MistyWaters

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    Could be but considering the length of hair on the other side, at most the clipping would’ve been 1/4 to 1/2”. If for some reason hair samples were required wouldn’t entire hairs be used, rather than just short end clippings?

    I can see why the autopsy photos give cause for the family to question the Mexican determination of accidental death.

    “Family members are convinced the father-of-two was a victim of foul play and are now calling on the FBI to investigate, after Mexican officials said he died of asphyxiation overnight on July 19 while trying to climb through a tiny bathroom window at the Sunset Royal Beach Resort.”
    Elijah Snow's family share autopsy photos, revealing heavy bruising to firefighter's body | Daily Mail Online
     
  10. neesaki

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    I agree with you, I don’t see how he died in the manner they’re claiming. There’s several inches of open space in the window. Caveat: Not trying to play amateur forensic expert here, but it’s just not adding up, JMO.
     
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  11. al66pine

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    Mr. Snow's toenails in this DailyMail pic, sourced to Facebook.

    Bruises on most/all nails? Caused in firefighter's line of duty or drills?
    (Yes, like many ppl, I've dropped something heavy on toe, got black, big nail for months.)

    Or nail polish? (Yes, I know, many men wear fingernail polish. Nothing wrong w it. I've not noticed men w toenail polish, I could be too far back in the cave;):cool: to have noticed. Or not paying attn. If it is polish, seems to be a very dark color, like Ms Snow's pedi-polish.)

    Or other?

    Likely of no significance to the case, just caught my attn.


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    Elijah Snow's family share autopsy photos, revealing heavy bruising to firefighter's body | Daily Mail Online Mod, Sorry if pic is oversized. I do not know how to size it down.
     
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  12. anonypotomous

    anonypotomous Well-Known Member

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    A lot of dads I know with young daughters let their daughters paint their toenails. For some reason little girls get a kick out of it. Very sweet of the daddies to let them do it.
     
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  13. al66pine

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    FBI Authority in Mexico?
    Family* of Mr. Snow wants to pressure "Mexico to let FBI come in."
    I'm trying to recall instances of FBI agents going to a foreign country to investigate a crime in that country against a US citizen - if all the elements of the crime happened there & no actions in US.
    Scratching my head on this. Anyone recall?

    I haven't searched further than this info, addressing FBI making arrests in foreign countries.*
    "What authority do FBI special agents have to make arrests... ? .... On foreign soil, FBI special agents generally do not have authority to make arrests except in certain cases where, with the consent of the host country, Congress has granted the FBI extraterritorial jurisdiction."
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    * Mr. Snow's Fa-in-Law, per Daily Mail, July 30:* "'We don't agree with Mexico's narrative that this was an accident,' he said. 'Our main goal now is to put pressure on Mexico to let the FBI come in because we don't trust them.'" bbm
    Elijah Snow's family share autopsy photos, revealing heavy bruising to firefighter's body | Daily Mail Online
    ** What authority do FBI special agents have to make arrests in the United States, its territories, or on foreign soil? | Federal Bureau of Investigation
     
  14. al66pine

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    @anonypotomous Ah, yes, Daddy's little live-in manicurist(s), and it looks like dau's in pic are about the right age for that.:) Very plausible.
    I knew there were reasons other than the few I thought of. Thank you.

    And the pix was not taken in Mexico. Again, IDK why the pic caught my attention.
     
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  15. neesaki

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    If I recall correctly, the FBI was involved with Amy Bradley’s case. She’s the one who went missing on a cruise ship with her family, somewhere around Aruba, IIRC. Still an unsolved case. I would really like to see her thread reopened. Unfortunately it was closed due to trolls, who had, Imo, nothing but nefarious intentions.
     
  16. KNinTX

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    I too only see his arms and hands blurred out. I can’t see any un blurred parts of his hands, fingers or arms. IMO
     
  17. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

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    FBI & Foreign Countries?
    @neesaki sbm What a memory you have - 1998, reported missing from cruise ship:) and as you say, still unsolved. Sad.

    ^ was a MisPers case in international waters,* different from Mr. Snow's known death which happened in a foreign country. Maybe someone here will search further re statutes authorizing FBI to investigate in foreign countries.

    Respectfully (not trying to be a smart aleck) but FBI agents can't go barging into another country willy-nilly every time a US citizen dies there. (Not saying you said that). I recall other cases where FBI investigated a US citizen's suspicious death in foreign country, when a person believed to be involved in causing the death was a US citizen and some elements of the homicide, like planning or buying a weapon, occurred in the US. Then, after extradition, etc, those cases were tried in US courts iirc.

    If Mr. Snow's death was not accidental, I hope the person responsible is arrested & convicted.
    Regardless sad, sad, sad.
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    * Per FBI poster "Amy Lynn Bradley,... Rhapsody of the Seas... was traveling in international waters ... During the early morning hours of Tuesday, March 24, 1998, Amy Lynn Bradley went missing...." sbm bbm
    AMY LYNN BRADLEY — FBI
     
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  18. LaurenJ36

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    I can’t help but think if he truly had a drunken misadventure that the resort/Mexican officials would have provided his clothes to his wife and also the surveillance footage. I hope his wife can put enough pressure on someone to get the surveillance footage. My heart hurts for her.
     
  19. Dutcher

    Dutcher Amateur Sleuth - Should stick to my day job.

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    The FBI can offer their assistance and resources (in particular forensic expertise) to local law enforcement, and maybe through a bit of diplomatic pressure, local LE will (begrudgingly) let them join the party.

    The FBI has zero legal standing in any country but the US, and their jurisdiction ends at the country's borders (inc. overseas territories, of course).

    The same applies for, say, Interpol — they can't bargain into America and say "we'll take it from here". But they can, and have many times, offer their assistance. A lot of that comes down to the diplomatic ties between countries.

    With all that said: I doubt the FBI will get into this, as this isn't a high-profile case (no disrespect to the victim) and since there is no body anymore… The family really didn't do themselves any favours with the "hasty" cremation.
     
  20. MistyWaters

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    I’ve searched but can find no link about cremation taking place. Other than other comments here on WS, what’s the source of that information? It appears the family noted the bruising firsthand at the funeral home, so it would seem strange they’d authorize cremation to immediately proceed.

    “The grieving family of a Texas firefighter, found dead in a resort bathroom in Mexico on July 19, has shared the gory post mortem photos. Heavy bruising and cuts can be seen on Elijah Snow's dead body……..

    …….Snow’s stepfather David Oujesky took the pictures of the deceased at a Cancun funeral home, which showed his legs, back, and forehead covered in bruises.”
    Elijah Snow's family shares post mortem photos with heavy bruising, cuts on firefighter's body

    ETA - And I could be wrong but doesn’t “visitation” generally involve a body in either an open or closed casket?
    “Visitation was held on Monday, July 26th 2021 from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM at the Moore Funeral Home (1219 N Davis Dr, Arlington, TX 76012). A celebration of life was held on Tuesday, July 27th 2021 at 10:00 AM at the Rush Creek Church (2350 SW Green Oaks Blvd, Arlington, TX 76017).”
    Elijah Burnett Snow Obituary (1985 - 2021) | Arlington, Texas
     
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