MI MI - Detroit, WhtFem UP11897, 19-29, 'Pat' from CA, died in fire, Nov'89

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  1. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Starting a new thread per user request:

    Warning: Postmortem Photos at Link
    NamUs UP 11897 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11897

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    Unidentified White Female

    89_8734Postmortem.jpg

    The victim was discovered on November 02, 1989 in Upper Detroit (Wayne County) Michigan
    Body Condition: Recognizable face
    Estimated Postmortem Interval: Minutes ​

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: 19-29 Years
    Approximate Height: 5'6" (66 inches).
    Approximate Weight: 120 pounds.
    Hair: Dark brown or black, long​

    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing: Blue Jeans, Bra, Long Black Coat​

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is available and entered
    Dentals: Dental information / charting is available and entered
    DNA: Not Available​

    Case History
    The body of a unknown woman was found after an accidental fire. The homeowner had met the woman the day prior and he let the woman spend the night. She told him her name was "Pat", that she was 26 years old and that she had two kids in California. ​
     
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  3. pearly

    pearly New Member

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    Thanks Carl, I thought there was alot of information on this Jane Doe that we could work with when I came across her profile last night. I thought that Juliana Mae Schubert looked like a good possibility and was wondering what everyone else thought? I do understand that her husband has been charged with first degree murder in 2001 relating to her disappearance but thought she was worth mentioning.

    Charley Project Link - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/schubert_juliana.html
     
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    What does everyone think of Olga as a possible match for this Jane Doe? Few details are available about her case but I thought there were facial similarities.

    Height and weight are good, so too is hair colour, eye colour and age. Olga was from California and JD mentioned that she had two children from California

    Doe Link - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2326dfca.html
     
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    If DN has Olga's year of birth correct (1956), she would have been 31 when she disappeared in 1987, and 33 when this UID died in 1989. That is slightly out of the age range.
     
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    pearly New Member

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    Even though this would put her slightly out of the age range would that be enough to completely discount her based on everything else matching? What do you think of the facial similarities?
     
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  8. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I wish there was a photo of Susan Zaharias.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14783/7

    Her name isn't Pat, but She fits the Jane Doe's circumstances of having been from California and being LKA in Detroit, and having two children.

    Her height fits perfectly, and her eye color is right.

    The only discrepancy I can see is hair color.
     
  9. SilentSleuth

    SilentSleuth Despite the name, I like to talk!

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    There you go.
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    SilentSleuth Despite the name, I like to talk!

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    I do think she could be a match. If that is the case, I wonder if her children are alive and well, or if we could match them up with some UIDs.
     
  12. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    The facial similarities between Susan Zaharias and this Jane Doe are close enough that I cannot rule them out on a facial comparison.

    I went ahead and submitted this possible match to Lori Bruski and Carrie Southerland.
     
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    Could this be Aundria Bowman of Holland Michigan. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_aundria.html http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...dria-Michelle-Bowman-14-Holland-11-March-1989
     
  14. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I am very much familiar with the Aundria Bowman case, as her natural mother is a good friend of mine.

    I am certain that this is not Aundria. She would have been only 15 at the time of this woman's death.
     
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    The eyebrows and facial features look really close.
     
  16. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't know if they ever verified whether the Jane Doe had given birth, but I do know that Aundria had not given birth as of March 11, 1989 (i.e., 8 months prior).
     
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    I didn't find anybody obvious in the Michigan-PA area in the immediate time frame.

    It sounds likely that she left them with her relatives as she slid deeper into drug use, assuming the husband's accusations are true.
     
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    chaddylex Verified Insider

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    Carl,

    I invited you on FB to like the Help Find the Zaharias Children Page. (I can't link it on here, I am at work and FB is blocked) Susan has a sister that lives in the next town over from where I work and they think she could have been here in PA with the kids at some point.
     
  19. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    I'm in agreement with you. Not Alexis; she looks 26.


    Not too hard to verify; we both know Trooper Krebs, you know Lori Bruski. Maybe ask for an official rule out so people stop suggesting Alexis?
     
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    Tssiemer Well-Known Member

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    That's actually a really good recon considering.


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  21. George

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    I am admin on Help Find the Zaharias Children page, the only discrepancy is the hair colour as I would have thought that the Medical Examiner would have picked up if her hair was dyed? I can't tell from the picture as to whether its Susan or not but it is definitely worth being put forward to NAMUS and LE as a possible match.
     

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