MI - Joshua Burns for child abuse, Brighton, 2015

Discussion in 'Recently Sentenced and Beyond' started by Snoods, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. Snoods

    Snoods Active Member

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    This is a really interesting case. In a nutshell, Mom and Dad take baby Naomi to the hospital after she allegedly fell off her father's knee and was injured. Dad is convicted of child abuse, Mom is cleared. Dad will be sentenced on March 19th. In the meantime, Mom moves away with Naomi and refuses to give her current address to CPS because she is afraid CPS may want to remove Naomi again. CPS is afraid that Dad will have access to Naomi and also want to continue with home visits.

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    Much more at links:
    https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-and-baby-move-to-secret-location-after-113356709152.html

    http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news...aby-after-cps-continues-to-demand-home-visits
     
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  3. Margo/Mom

    Margo/Mom New Member

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    I wonder if the mom's attorney is associated with Liberty U. They have at least one other case in which a child disappeared with a parent that they were defending (and is still out of the country, I do believe). There is some reason to suspect that Liberty is actually training family practice attorneys to help clients evade laws as they believe it is warranted.
     
  4. Snoods

    Snoods Active Member

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    That's interesting, Margo. Which case is that, do you remember?
     
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    Margo/Mom New Member

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  6. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Dad is in jail, correct?
    How would he have access to the baby if he is facing 10 years?
    Is there some other reason they need to know where she is living?
     
  7. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    How do they know Dad abused the baby? Could she have just fallen from his lap or was it ongoing?
     
  8. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    It sounds like the injury was a bit too severe for a fall...
    Many babies get dropped or fall off beds without injury.
    Sounds like the story didn't match the evidence. :twocents:
     
  9. wendybtn

    wendybtn Active Member

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    But all people are created individually. And what may be seen as the "normal" injury for that type of fall, May not be normal for this child. I would have looked for other bone or soft tissue injuries, which I assume the hospital doctors did. Sometimes an accident is an accident. It is odd that they may put a pilot in jail but still need the child from the non-charged, non-accused mother. Government equals power-hungry.
     
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    wendybtn Active Member

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    They either don't know or won't share their findings.
     
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    wendybtn Active Member

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    MyBelle Active Member

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    I have to wonder why a 2-month old baby was on anybody's knee.
     
  13. MyBelle

    MyBelle Active Member

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    International parental kidnapping is a federal crime. But within the U.S., a custodial parent should be able to take her child wherever she wants.

    JMO
     
  14. Snoods

    Snoods Active Member

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    Dad won't be sentenced until the 19th and because Mom thinks Dad is innocent, CPS is afraid Dad will be around Naomi.

    CPS filed a petition with the court demanding Mom provide them with Naomi's new address, but her lawyer says she was cleared of all charges and she should not need to give them her address.

    Yes, I question this as well. A 2-month-old would need full neck and back support to be joggling on someone's knee. It's been a while since I've had a baby, but I believe this would take two hands. It does seem suspect that she slipped out of his grasp that easily, it's not like they're wiggling around that much.

    But who knows? Is it possible for a baby to sustain those types of injuries (including retinal hemorrhaging) from a fall off a knee? The parents claim she received that injury from a difficult C-section birth, but the jury apparently didn't believe that.
     
  15. Ransom

    Ransom Former Member

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    Link for ^^:
    On the website, it is explained that Naomi was born in January 2014 "through a traumatic birth that started with four hours of pushing, followed by several failed attempts at vacuum extraction" and an emergency cesarean section. The website says that traumatic birth left her with "unforeseen health issues that would later cause serious problems."
    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/09/father-child-abuse/24635949/

    Also: all about DAD: MSM: http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...other-child-abuse-hiding-livingston/24553953/

    Court documents confirm the officers were on scene because they found Joshua Burns has two outstanding warrants from El Paso County in Colorado.
    A clerk at El Paso County court said Friday that records show one warrant for Joshua Burns dating back to February 1998 for failure to appear on a harassment charge.

    Mom, Brenda, full supports her husband.
     
  16. SeriouslySearching

    SeriouslySearching New Member

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    If the mother was cleared of any wrongdoing and was given the baby back, I see no reason for CPS to continue their probe into the mother and child. I tend to agree with the attorney on the way CPS operates and their intrusive approach. Surely there are other family members who are aware of the situation and have access to the child that would call authorities if something seemed out of place or if the father tried to visit. CPS is overstepping their authority, imo.
     
  17. Ransom

    Ransom Former Member

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    Side note:

    I think we all know that the Adam Walsh act enabled states to require Sex OFFENDERS to register. Part of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and SAFETY ACT also included those that ABUSE and NEGLECT need to register also and also includes FOSTER CARE.

    Because Brenda Burns supports her convicted husband, Joshua Q. Burns, she needs to register ... even though she was not THERE when the infant was abused.

    Elizabeth Warner, Joshua Q. Burns attorney of record, has led the charge to overturn/reduce the registry in MI
    http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/10/parents_protest_placement_on_s.html

    ETA: Adam Walsh FEDERAL Act:

    http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/socwork/nrcfcpp/downloads/policy-issues/State_Child_Abuse_Registries.pdf
     
  18. Ransom

    Ransom Former Member

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    NOT the way it works with CPS. As an EX Cps worker, I speak for my own self and not from authority any longer. MOM, supports her convicted/not sentenced husband. Therein lies the problem by LAW. State (weak in MI) but strong Federal Law.
    JMO

    ETA: This is a great case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. LOOK at all the cases here on WS where folks are crying out ... "why didn't CPS DO something" or "CPS overstepped". Take your pick?

    Good night/over and out of this case. :seeya: Love you all.
     
  19. Snoods

    Snoods Active Member

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    Sorry about that, Ransom! Below are the links for my quoted post above. Anything in my post that is not linked is IMO.

    https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-and-baby-move-to-secret-location-after-113356709152.html

    http://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news...aby-after-cps-continues-to-demand-home-visits
     
  20. Mystymiss

    Mystymiss New Member

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    So CPS is dammed if they do and dammed if they Don't. My only concern would be the baby!.

    If I had nothing to do with abuse of my baby I would welcome any and all surprise checks
    from CPS. If I had any knowledge of my husband dropping my baby from his knee. I personally
    wouldn't want him around anyway. I don't need an idiot in my life. JMO
     
  21. Snoods

    Snoods Active Member

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    He grabbed her face to stop her from falling? C'mon...

    I can see why the jury convicted him.

    So they didn't show up for the hearing??? That's telling. I hope they're keeping track of his whereabouts, they may be a flight risk.

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...other-child-abuse-hiding-livingston/24553953/
     

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