MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #1

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  1. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes Fasten your seatbelts...

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    JT's comments in this article are totally bizarre. Double-talk. WTF!?! :moo:
     


  2. caspermi

    caspermi New Member

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    So the based on various news articles, this is the timeline I was able to come up with.

    Father voluntarily turns over computer to police in late 2014. Police look through computer and find 8 pictures of child porn that were saved to computer in November 2012. Based on these findings father is arrested in late February 2015 and a search warrant for additional computers, phones, jump drives, etc. is obtained. Police execute search warrant at that time.

    Some questions that come to mind, did the suspect take the pictures? Were they of family members or acquaintances? Or were they images just downloaded from the web?

    Now that the father is under arrest and police have seized his phones, they can obtain a search warrant for his cell phone location data. If he isn't saying where he was on or around the day of the murder, they can check as to whether his phone was near the daughters EMU dorm on the dates in question (as well as other unsolved disappearance or murder cases.)
     
  3. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes Fasten your seatbelts...

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    Thank you. Were computers/phones from this business included in a search warrant?
     
  4. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes Fasten your seatbelts...

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    LE kept most details of their investigation close to the vest, but was it ever mentioned whether or not Julia was sexually assaulted? I didn't speculate at the time about the unusual body position when Julia was found dead in her bathtub. Now, with the information about child porn photos on JT's computer, I can't help wondering if the "unusual" body placement was sexual in nature. :blushing:
     
  5. MIMOMMY

    MIMOMMY Verified insider - Julia Niswender case

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    I would not call the position of her body sexual in nature. I also can not say whether computers/phones from the business were included in the search warrant.
     
  6. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    I am sorry I disagree with your perception. I have never seen nor spoken to any of the family, so I have nothing to relate as to this person's character. But I can relate to having sexually inappropriate relatives who can be the sweetest, most compassionate people you would want to meet -- thus anyone who said a negative word about them were belittled or told they misunderstood an intention. Sexual inapropriateness can come from the "nicest" people. I have also known a murderer (family member) that caused disbelief from other family members -- some could believe he was capable, others believed it was not possible. In my experience, even those we feel show all the appropriate actions and morals can be covering up a deep secret.

    My gut feeling as an outsider .... this man has probably done something that Julia was uncomfortable with. Her knowledge and possibly being ready to tell others was met with ill regard. I don't know if he did anything to cause her death, but it is not far fetched with the info that is coming forth right now.

    I know there is a video with Mr. Turnquist speaking to a reporter., last October I think. I wish I could find it. If I remember correctly, I was surprised at his calmness and slight smile throughout. Maybe he, as do others, smiles as a reflex no matter the circumstances --- to cover anxiety, when happy or sad, when lying ...?

    I just don't know how to feel still, Mimommy. I feel really bad for all friends and family to have to see someone they know and trusted being accused of heinous acts. I am trying to separate personal concerns from legal concerns, but they tend to jumble together. I am sorry you have to be put in this situation as a friend.
     
  7. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    Found on the 11th, and a vigil is held three days later and ..... he is GLAD they had the opportunity to experience this??? Putting up with her??? Who says that so quickly after a child's death? ooooh..... Be still my tongue!

    father:. "I'm glad that Jennifer and Julia had the opportunity to experience this, what I'm seeing right now. I couldn't ask for anything more. Thank you. Thank you for being her friend. Thank you for being her support. Thanks for putting up with her."
     
  8. BetteDavisEyes

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    ^ Like I said: Bizarre :rolleyes:
     
  9. tarabull

    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    Snipped...
    http://t.monroenews.com/news/2015/mar/04/jennifer-niswender-backing-stepfather/?templates=tablet

    FWIW...
     
  10. momof4ws

    momof4ws Member

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    My question is, what family members lived at the home of Jim and Kim at the time Julia was murdered? Did Jennifer live there? According to the grandma, there was a conflict between Jim and Julia so Julia lived at the grandmas when she wasn't at her EMU apartment. I don't know a lot about identical twins but it must have been hard for Jennifer to not have her twin living at their parents but, instead, staying with the grandma. Did Jennifer not see eye to eye with whatever fallout Julia and Jim had? Julia spent time at grandma's house when not at school while Jennifer didn't? Julia had a major problem with her stepdad and Jennifer stands behind him 100%. Maybe Julia did know something that may be related to his arrest? I'm just thinking out loud here.....
     
  11. blonde_ambition

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    I agree with Spellbound. My very good friend (and daycare provider - GASP) discovered her husband had been molesting her daughters for many years. The oldest daughter (15) secretly went to police and helped organize a midnight raid of sorts in order to "save" her younger sister. VERY shocking. NO ONE would have EVER suspected him. Literally the nicest guy you've ever met. In trial it came out that he had also viciously raped a woman when we has a military cop but the case was dismissed because she did not say "NO." The incident was scrubbed from his record. She flew in from 1200 miles away to testify at his sentencing - it was downright stomach turning to hear her recount what he did.
     
  12. BetteDavisEyes

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    The issues between Julia and her stepfather must have been serious if she chose to live with her grandmother. I'm sure we'll be learning a lot about this family's dynamics as the investigation progresses.
     
  13. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    blonde_ambition, thank you for sharing. It turns my stomach whenever I hear of how long things like this get covered up. Sometimes we are afraid to voice our fears and be told we don't know what we are talking alpbout or how we misunderstood it. I hope the girls are doing well now.
     
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    Lawyer: Stepdad unfairly linked to EMU student's death
    By Katrease Stafford, Detroit Free Press 11:45 p.m. EST March 5, 2015

    In these excerpts quoting Lt. Deric Gress, it sounds like information may be coming in as the hearing nears, such as Julia's grandmother's information.

    [...]
    "The family has provided us information, and he's given us some type of account. We don't know if it's credible."
    [...]
    "We have some lab stuff out and that stuff takes a lot of time," he said. "We're constantly meeting with people, trying to check stuff out and figure out what to do next. People are saying we're opening a cold case, but it's never been a cold case. It ebbs and flows."


    Report: Julia Niswender's grandmother says family divided over stepfather
    By Ben Freed, MLive, Mar 6, '15, 12:28 pm
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    "Rose Niswender said she believes Turnquist knows something about the unsolved death, which happened in 2012."

    In the video linked at the bottom of the page, Julia's mom talks about how she compartmentalizes how she deals with her loss of Julia. Her world is crashing together now, I imagine, inseparable, it seems. Terrible to have a man like this tear a family apart and cause so much pain and then to watch them reel in public, so he may save himself.


    Police say James Turnquist is ‘person of interest' in Julia Niswender’s death
    By Ray Kisonas, Fri, Mar 6, 15, 9:07 am
     
  15. OldSteve

    OldSteve Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if the answer to your question about how far a person would go, turns out to be Chelsea Bruck, sadly...
     
  16. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    I want to say kudos to everyone on this thread for being so respectful when discussing what is a highly charged topic. Anytime you are talking about someone who has been accused of acts against children, and a potential tie in to a murder, well...it's enough to make your head spin.
    I extend my love and prayers to the family members and close friends involved, oh, God Bless!

    As far as the suspect, I am going to restrain myself from jumping to conclusions, although it's easy to do. This is a very complex case with complex family dynamics. I am going to rely on LE science, vs. my emotional response....as difficult as that is.
    One thing is for sure, there is much more to follow. Much more.

    Again, respect to all my fellow sleuthers on this thread for being a class act.
     
  17. BetteDavisEyes

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    For anyone not local who wants to watch news at 4:00, here's the live stream link for WDIV, Channel 4, Detroit: http://www.clickondetroit.com/livestream/wdiv-news-livestream/22218202

    The early news is usually breaking news, headlines, weather, etc., so if there's a major development in the Niswender situation, it might not be on until 5:00 or later newscasts. Of course, there are other TV stations in metro-Detroit, but Channel 4 is my go-to for local news.
     
  18. momof4ws

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    Thank you for reminding us that lives have been turned upside down and I feel horrible for everyone affected by Julia's death...no matter what the outcome.
     
  19. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    I agree. This has been a very respectful forum on a highly volatile topic. I hope we can keep it that way. Being among the community, I feel a deep connection, even though I have not met those in the center. I also feel a deep need to see this through to completion, whichever way it goes.

    BDE, thanks for being here. You keep me a little saner.

    FindHG ... I just realized your "links" are the blue words! I wish I knew how to do that. Thanks for those last ones.

    OldSteve, I also wonder if this will lead to Chelsea. :(
     
  20. hockeymom4

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    So very well said. I very rarely point fingers even after people are named POIs bc I need facts and evidence of the crime being committed for me to place guilt and belive a person is responsible. So, I also will be waiting on this one.

    What I do find odd here is naming him a POI. This does have me thinking only because in so many cases LE refuses to ever name one and they just jump to an arrest. I know being a POI doesn't mean guilty. I just look at the many cases I have followed and all of them that had a POI first and an arrest later, resulted in it being the same person. There are many cases where there have been a POI and no arrest yet.

    Curious for those here longer, is it common to have POIs named and for them not to be responsible?
     
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