Found Deceased MI - Kristin Gromoske, 17, Menominee, 8 Nov 2019

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  1. otto

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    Thank you! That's really helpful. The water is 1-5 feet deep, with rocks and probably a good flow rate. Let me find a river map ...
     


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    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    Grew up in Central Wisconsin. Following, hoping and praying KG will be found soon.

    The proximity to water always scares me. Those rivers back there can be deceptively swift any time of year.

    JMVHO.
     
  3. otto

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    How could someone get lost between the Stateline Mini Mart and the Interstate Bridge?

    If she went over the bridge into the water, where did she end up? It seems unlikely that she was on the bridge. She would have to walk quite a ways to get to a place where she'd land in the water and no one saw her on the bridge.

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  4. otto

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    On the offhand chance that she wandered to the water or fell over the bridge, given that the water is shallow - where might she go into the water, where might she end up?

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    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    She may have been picked up by someone, or, she went down the embankment to the water.

    JMVHO.

    Also, according to the below-linked article, LE doesn't feel she crossed the bridge.

    Menominee teen girl still missing
     
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    Just as an example of how swift river currents can be, I grew up with a river basically in my back yard. We were forbidden to swim in it, because of the fast current.

    One time, before I had any common sense (teenager), a friend and I took a short cut in winter. We walked over this same river, and I remember our footprints sinking in the snow.

    NOT a wise thing to do!

    JMVHO.
     
  7. otto

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    Most people think that because a river is only 3-4 feet deep, it is safe, not realizing that fast current or cold water temperature are deadly.

    I don't think Kristen took a swim, but I do think that if she chose to go into the water she would be well downstream after 6 days.

    There's another unsolved case of a teacher who went to the river in the middle of the night and washed up downstream. The water was similarly shallow, but her injuries indicated murder. She was found the morning after she was last seen, but who knows how it works if a body has been in the water for 7 days.
     
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    Well, there's been two cases on here where a couple of woman had similar issues of not knowing where they were and ended up deceased. One was found about a month or so after she went missing, not too far from her boyfriend's vehicle off of some country road. Another was found parked in a neighborhood in San Jose, Ca and she was found in the back seat of her rental car.

    It makes me wonder what's going on with several women having similar episodes in such a short period of time, yet none of them are related to each other. Foul play did not occur in the two cases I just mentioned in my above paragraph.

    I hope Kristin is found safe soon.
     
  9. J@cknsal1y

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    Took some pictures this morning. First few are on the Menominee side of the bridge. The other side of the water is pretty much industrial. The last couple pictures are from marinette (& on opposite side of the water). I’m thinking i doubt she walked under the bridge, but maybe crossed the street before the bridge camera could pick her up, and possibly took the walking bridge over to Stephenson island. It was so cold, but there is a park and pavilions there I guess she maybe could have gone to. There is also a museum but i don’t think it’s currently open. Also the tourist center but they probably weren’t open either, as well as the library if she did walk that direction. Also the water is iced over. Some open spots, & not frozen good where I’d think anyone local would know better than to try to walk on it, but that’s all just my opinion. But maybe if they do think that may have happened, it could be another explanation as to why there aren’t any searches. Waters frozen over, for the most part. Big open area under the foot bridge and I assume closer to Hattie st bridge area as there are active dams so that usually freezes a bit later.
    ETA: I rarely take Hattie st bridge so I drove down there. Dams appear open and water is not frozen once you get less than halfway between interstate and Hattie bridges. May not be relevant but there is a ‘train bridge’ (not sure of the technical term), about 1/2 way between the interstate and Hattie st bridges. I can remember being young and stupid probably between 8th grade and turning 16, and we would sometimes walk (RUN!) across the train bridge. At night it was especially fun (dumb!) because the area was creepy at night & you could hear the train whistle blowing before you could see it coming so it was a bit of a rush. I have never heard of anyone getting hit by the train on that bridge, and I would think it would have been reported if something like that happened. But not knowing her state of mind, the possibility of her falling off That bridge and No one noticing Comes to mind.

    eta2: pictures posted in the wrong order. 1st, 4th, & 5th are the ones i folk from Menominee (were you can see quite a bit of grass and some train cars). 2nd & 3rd are the ones I took from marinette near Stephenson island. Took from the library parking lot looking toward Stephenson island.
     

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    Agree; spot on.
     
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    I don’t understand either. The distance from Stateline to the bridge is considerably less than even just the length of the bridge. (Photos takes Saturday night).
     

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    Attaching some articles from drownings I can remember to google for some example of where the bodies of victims who drowned in the Menominee River were eventually found.
    Body of man who drowned after boat capsized found in bay near Oconto, sheriff says
    Marinette man, 34, drowns near Menominee marina – Twin Cities
    (The Menominee marina is the water that first street runs next to. One side of first street is beaches, docks, lighthouse, Pier, and some
    Big beautiful waterfront homes. This one happened in 2012
    Boys find woman’s dismembered body in Menominee river
    this one is a case of foul play/body was found in a tributary of the Menominee river this past summer. Not sure exactly where the body was put in, but it was found in what we call ‘little river’ (in Menominee, mi), which comes off of the Menominee River. there may be other articles that have more info on that, just wanted to point out there are bigger bodies of water the Menominee River flows into, as well as smaller tributaries. I believe what we call ‘chapee rapids’ is also a part of this.

    Canoeist drowns on Menominee River
    I know the family of this man. He is from Menominee, and the drowning happened In the Menominee River, but further into MI. Goes to show though how far the river flows.
    Teen drowns attempting to rescue friend in Menominee River
    This Menominee River drowning happened further into Michigan, too, however the article talks about the Menominee rivers strong current.
    I have a Family member who drowned in the Menominee River when fishing, but this was a really long time ago & I couldn’t find any articles about him. He was closer to the Hattie st bridge, though.
     
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    Attaching some articles from drownings I can remember to google for some example of where the bodies of victims who drowned in the Menominee River were eventually found.
    Body of man who drowned after boat capsized found in bay near Oconto, sheriff says
    Marinette man, 34, drowns near Menominee marina – Twin Cities
    (The Menominee marina is the water that first street runs next to. One side of first street is beaches, docks, lighthouse, Pier, and some
    Big beautiful waterfront homes. This one happened in 2012
    Boys find woman’s dismembered body in Menominee river
    this one is a case of foul play/body was found in a tributary of the Menominee river this past summer. Not sure exactly where the body was put in, but it was found in what we call ‘little river’ (in Menominee, mi), which comes off of the Menominee River. there may be other articles that have more info on that, just wanted to point out there are bigger bodies of water the Menominee River flows into, as well as smaller tributaries. I believe what we call ‘chapee rapids’ is also a part of this.

    Canoeist drowns on Menominee River
    I know the family of this man. He is from Menominee, and the drowning happened In the Menominee River, but further into MI. Goes to show though how far the river flows.
    Teen drowns attempting to rescue friend in Menominee River
    This Menominee River drowning happened further into Michigan, too, however the article talks about the Menominee rivers strong current.
    I have a Family member who drowned in the Menominee River when fishing, but this was a really long time ago & I couldn’t find any articles about him. He was closer to the Hattie st bridge, though.
     
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    About Menominee River AOC | US EPA
     
  15. otto

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    J@cknsal1y, Thank you so much for the photos and links! It is so helpful to understand the areas where she was last seen around the river.

    Given the cold temperatures, it seems unlikely that she was outside overnight. If she was inside, then someone saw her and should be able to fill in some of the blanks.
     
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    That is what I assume, too. Right across the street from the library where I parked to take the pictures, there is a best western hotel. Maybe she could have met up with someone staying there initially, but I am sure that if she was staying there still or had for an extended period of time, someone would have figured it out.
     
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    just drove over the interstate on my way home. One Menominee police vehicle parked at Stephenson island and a single officer walking the bridge toward marinette. No clue if it’s related
     
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    At the very least, there should be a search in the area so hopefully that's what's going on.
     
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    Hopefully, it is related to Kirstin's disappearance. Meaning nothing bad, just hoping they find where she is.
     
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    ***......moo
     
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