Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[Barney Fife]

I would be willing to bet Jake has not spoken to Jason in years.The days of JY hanging around his house seeing his own kids have been long gone His wife is a good friend of Mrs Young. That is the extent of his relationship with JY as it stands today. Local gossip around Brevard, what he gets from his wife and....what he gets from these boards.

 

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yes. Moooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!

That rocks !

 

[citygirl]

I would be willing to bet Jake has not spoken to Jason in years.The days of JY hanging around his house seeing his own kids have been long gone His wife is a good friend of Mrs Young. That is the extent of his relationship with JY as it stands today. Local gossip around Brevard, what he gets from his wife and....what he gets from these boards.

So, he's just fixated like the rest of us ? I was thinking there are some kernels of truth in what he posts . Yet, in recent days it seems he may not have even been in the house , only relying on photos ? Has he ever added to the discussion about a back staircase ?

 

[Barney Fife]

So, he's just fixated like the rest of us ? I was thinking there are some kernels of truth in what he posts . Yet, in recent days it seems he may not have even been in the house , only relying on photos ? Has he ever added to the discussion about a back staircase ?

He has never responded to any more questions about the house because he has no idea about the house layout or back stairs. I think there are "kernels of truth" in some of what he posts. Again, info he gets from his wife talking to Mrs Young. He also may be e-mailing JTF and getting info from her ?

 

[jilly]

He has never responded to any more questions about the house because he has no idea about the house layout or back stairs. I think there are "kernels of truth" in some of what he posts. Again, info he gets from his wife talking to Mrs Young. He also may be e-mailing JTF and getting info from her ?

So what was the original story here? Did his wife go up to Raleigh when LE released jy's vehicle and she drove the Young's car back? I don't know why I was under the impression that he had gone to Raleigh too.

 

[Barney Fife]

So what was the original story here? Did his wife go up to Raleigh when LE released jy's vehicle and she drove the Young's car back? I don't know why I was under the impression that he had gone to Raleigh too.

His wife and Mrs Young went in late November I think he said ? He did tell us he drove the SUV back. I assumed his wife dropped him at R Smiths office on 1-4-07 when the SUV was released.

 

[raisincharlie]

Well, Jake got me to thinking today. I've taken a step or two back and have done some reflection on some things. For some reason I went back to a post about there being two rooms for the families at the viewing. One for the Youngs and one for the Fishers. We know from watching the video from the funeral that there was no unity between the Youngs and the Fishers during the funeral. Jake has made it a point on more than one occasion to comment about Meredith running back and forth at the funeral service to talk to Jason.

Been doing a lot of studying about that with a bit of relatively new items to add. We find out that Michelle was seeing a therapist, we find out JY went on a vacation without his wife and daughter. We also find out that Michelle went to NY to spend time with her Mom before this vacation.

Now I'm wondering - does it not seem obvious LF believed from the beginning that Jason murdered Michelle ?

Did Michelle tell LF some things when she went to NY that upon reflecting, led LF to believe that JY murdered Michelle ?

Why did JY not take Cassidy on the vacation ? Did he not want Cassidy to go ? Did Michelle tell him Cassidy was not going ?

Did Michelle have enough time with a therapist to relay the same things to the therapist that led LF to believe JY murdered Michelle?


hmmm...

 

[sweet peach]

Obviously he, or someone he knows (Hi Gerry) thinks so.

If they were going to manufacture evidence to make Jason fit the crime he would've been arrested within a week of her death. Actually if they had it in for him bad enough to do that BS, he wouldn't have made her funeral!

"the tree has shed it's bark".

Sami

Exactly, Sami. If LE is manufacturing evidence to make Jason the guilty party, they sure are doing a crappy job! We're 5 months out now...he would have been long gone if they had decided to pin this on him just for fun. JMO.

 

[jilly]

His wife and Mrs Young went in late November I think he said ? He did tell us he drove the SUV back. I assumed his wife dropped him at R Smiths office on 1-4-07 when the SUV was released.

Ohhh, ok....I thought he had driven a vehicle back. I had forgotten that Mrs gojo had accompanied Mrs Y (for "support") when the house was released. So then of course he hasn't been in the house and is just going by photos. Thank you!

 

[The Saint]

Howdy,

Then you might agree that often some young males don't think with the head on their shoulders. It's difficult for me even to discuss this because I haven't yet accepted the affair theory.

However, Jason was/is not the sort to frequent bars trolling for trollops. He had no office so no chance for a hookup there. Most of his college buds were married. So, why not Florida?

I think I know what you mean by "piece of work". But I won't go there. I'll just point out that Jason is a moral man with an excellent upbringing.
Those of us who know him are amazed that so many who don't know him can believe he could/would beat his wife and namesake to death.

And by the way.... that "daily contact" I hear so much about. I have yet to hear any police officer say how many of those daily messages were from Jason's wife Michelle. I know that both Jason and his wife called and emailed MM and other friends. Maybe eventually we'll hear some exact numbers on this.

--Jake

namesake? so they did have a name picked out for the baby boy - Jason Jr. was killed at his father's hand that night as well as Michelle.

unless Michelle hacked into jay's email account and was using HIS
group of cellphones, I think that LE knows which emails and calls originated form jay to MM.

unless Michelle not only hacked into jay's email account and PRETENDED to be jay and sent mash email notes to MM, I think it is safe to assume jay wrote those emails.

why do you think the posters here who speak of affairs are women and speak only from the female perspective about affairs?
there are men and women who post on this board. both have commented on jay's affair with MM.

as far as not having an office, it didn't stop jay from congregating with
a group of female co-workers and lamenting about his sex life with his wife.

jay a moral man? you don't really know him at all, jake. you knew him as a boy not a sexually active grown man.

imo

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Obviously he, or someone he knows (Hi Gerry) thinks so.

If they were going to manufacture evidence to make Jason fit the crime he would've been arrested within a week of her death. Actually if they had it in for him bad enough to do that BS, he wouldn't have made her funeral!
"the tree has shed it's bark".

Sami

Ummm, yeah! If one is going to risk or ruin their career, one should at least make sure they find the proverbial smoking gun or something!

Sheesh. And let's not forget that this was a horrific crime where a pregnant lady was beaten to death. I'm sure the officers decided to play around with this case and frame an innocent guy...and let the monster who did this roam the streets.................

BTW, Hi Sami!

 

[jilly]

Well, Jake got me to thinking today. I've taken a step or two back and have done some reflection on some things. For some reason I went back to a post about there being two rooms for the families at the viewing. One for the Youngs and one for the Fishers. We know from watching the video from the funeral that there was no unity between the Youngs and the Fishers during the funeral. Jake has made it a point on more than one occasion to comment about Meredith running back and forth at the funeral service to talk to Jason.

Been doing a lot of studying about that with a bit of relatively new items to add. We find out that Michelle was seeing a therapist, we find out JY went on a vacation without his wife and daughter. We also find out that Michelle went to NY to spend time with her Mom before this vacation.

Now I'm wondering - does it not seem obvious LF believed from the beginning that Jason murdered Michelle ?

Did Michelle tell LF some things when she went to NY that upon reflecting, led LF to believe that JY murdered Michelle ?

Why did JY not take Cassidy on the vacation ? Did he not want Cassidy to go ? Did Michelle tell him Cassidy was not going ?

Did Michelle have enough time with a therapist to relay the same things to the therapist that led LF to believe JY murdered Michelle?


hmmm...

RC,

I have always though that LF knew from the beginning. In her first plea to the public she asked for anyone who had seen or heard anything to come forward. Quote:

“I’m asking for anyone who has seen or heard anything, as trivial as you might think it is, anything, to please come forward, and help find the person who murdered our daughter."

She didn't ask if anyone knew who did this. I don't know...I may be reading too much into it but that just jumped out at me.

I'm sure Michelle poured her heart out to her mom during that two weeks. She was an emotional wreck at that point what with losing the baby etc.

I would think the reason jy didn't want Cassidy on the vacation was because he didn't feel it was right to expect others to babysit while he was having a good time. Perhaps all of them planned on going to a casino or whatever.

It would be good to know how many sessions Michelle had with the therapist. Sessions are usually 1 hour and you can talk alot during that time. The first few sessions involve mostly the client talking and the therapist getting a feel for the situation and asking a few of questions. So whatever she told the therapist in one or two sessions could be enough for LE to get a handle on the situation.jmo

 

[Samiya]

Ummm, yeah! If one is going to risk or ruin their career, one should at least make sure they find the proverbial smoking gun or something!

Sheesh. And let's not forget that this was a horrific crime where a pregnant lady was beaten to death. I'm sure the officers decided to play around with this case and frame an innocent guy...and let the monster who did this roam the streets.................

BTW, Hi Sami!

Or make their own smoking gun! lmao. Rather pathetic accusation isn't it?

Hi DD!

How you been hon? Our friend would've loved Easter me thinks....I can picture all those choccies and him in the middle drooling, lmao.

Hugs
Sami

 

[Barney Fife]

Howdy,

Finances? I do happen to know that the combined income of the Young's was such they had no real financial problems. They budgeted for things the same as I do. When unforeseen items arise, as the broken garage door, the heat pump, etc., they did what I do: the best they can.
--Jake

Jake

We did a little snooping around on the register of deeds web site...faciscnating

1- Birchlief house was sold for $379k with a $$307k 1st mortgage. There is second mortgage of $57k. If he sold tomorrow, after paying the 6%, he has ZERO equity in the house

2- The town Home. Bought for $159k 2 years ago (bought Ryan Schaad out) and has 1st mortgage of $131k. + 2 equity loans of $15,500 and $15,900. ....ZERO equity here

I don't know Jake. Sounds like a bit of financial hurt with the 2nd baby on the way and Michelle going part time. I would be very stressed if this were my financial condition. That $1mm life policy could bail him out in more ways than one :twocents:

 

[The Saint]

Howdy,

You say "many successful men..." have killed their wives. Sure, it can happen and does happen. But before I am surprised at it, I would have to have seen how they were reared. "As the twig is set, so the tree will grow." I know how Jason was reared.

YOU SAID: "Adultery, financial problems, marital problems, pregnancy, secret lives, refusal to assist police, lawyering up are just some of the common traits that the other murdering spouses possessed. Can you see Jason fitting into any of these categories??" END SNIP

Adultery: not proven.
Financial: Not true. I know the search warrant. Still not true.
Marital: Not proven. Rumors.
Pregnancy: A positive development. Both were happy about it.
Secret: I don't understand.
Assist police: You mean the police who from the beginning have been hostile?

You mean the police who from the beginning have accused him of beating his wife and baby boy to death?

You mean the police who have released nothing but incomplete, negative information?

You mean the police who from the beginning have shown their hostility by harassing his family?

You mean the police who from the beginning have accused him of not cooperating when what they really mean is that he will not submit to grilling by them?

Are these the police officers you mean?

--Jake

"I know how jason was reared." well that says it all to me. you don't want to believe that pat could have failed her son somehow. or you if you were truly involved as father-figure.

john hinkley has very nice parents and their son tried to assasinate a President. something can go wrong in the mind of a killer.

something might be wrong with jason's mind - his upbringing might be partly responsible or genetics or neither.

i wonder how you are going to deal with finally hearing the details
in court about how jason beat michelle to death. at what point are you going to let yourself think that he might have killed his wife and baby?

how much evidence will you need?

imo

 

[Samiya]

respectfully snipped......

Been doing a lot of studying about that with a bit of relatively new items to add. We find out that Michelle was seeing a therapist, we find out JY went on a vacation without his wife and daughter. We also find out that Michelle went to NY to spend time with her Mom before this vacation.

Now I'm wondering - does it not seem obvious LF believed from the beginning that Jason murdered Michelle ?

Did Michelle tell LF some things when she went to NY that upon reflecting, led LF to believe that JY murdered Michelle ?

Why did JY not take Cassidy on the vacation ? Did he not want Cassidy to go ? Did Michelle tell him Cassidy was not going ?

Did Michelle have enough time with a therapist to relay the same things to the therapist that led LF to believe JY murdered Michelle?


hmmm...

I wonder how long Linda has known that Michelle was seeing a therapist?

Linda said she had no idea that LE wanted to speak to the therapist.

Sami

 

[The Saint]

Jake

We did a little snooping around on the register of deeds web site...faciscnating

1- Birchlief house was sold for $379k with a $$307k 1st mortgage. There is second mortgage of $57k. If he sold tomorrow, after paying the 6%, he has ZERO equity in the house

2- The town Home. Bought for $159k 2 years ago (bought Ryan Schaad out) and has 1st mortgage of $131k. + 2 equity loans of $15,500 and $15,900. ....ZERO equity here

I don't know Jake. Sounds like a bit of financial hurt with the 2nd baby on the way and Michelle going part time. I would be very stressed if this were my financial condition. That $1mm life policy could bail him out in more ways than one :twocents:

this is what i heard. the houses were mortgaged to the hilt.

and when or if he selles the houses, he'll have to pay real estate broker commissions and closing costs plus capital gains taxes unless he buys a new property.

and i also heard that when one of the men who knew jay from college
was read some of what the pro-jason people were posting on CTV about his being moral, etc., the guy laughed. He said that wasn't the jay he knew in college.

imo

 

[sweet peach]

I have always though that LF knew from the beginning. In her first plea to the public she asked for anyone who had seen or heard anything to come forward. Quote:

“I’m asking for anyone who has seen or heard anything, as trivial as you might think it is, anything, to please come forward, and help find the person who murdered our daughter."

She didn't ask if anyone knew who did this. I don't know...I may be reading too much into it but that just jumped out at me.

***snipped***

I agree, jilly. It's almost as if she always suspected him and added that part in about "as trivial as you might think it is" for that matter. You know, like a neighbor may think it's trivial if they saw JY's car in the driveway at 3 am, but it's actually not at all trivial in this case. Does that make sense? JMO...

 

[jilly]

I agree, jilly. It's almost as if she always suspected him and added that part in about "as trivial as you might think it is" for that matter. You know, like a neighbor may think it's trivial if they saw JY's car in the driveway at 3 am, but it's actually not at all trivial in this case. Does that make sense? JMO...

Oh good - I'm not losing it- you're my new best friend That's who I thought she was appealing to - neighbors or those who had been in the neighborhood (delivery people etc).

 

[scandi]

Hi Charlie, Yes I think what you say is extremely possible.

Mid November we had an insider tell us that both LF and MF thought Jason was guilty. I'll never forget that because it was such a black and white statement. I was really into the 911 call at that time and remember thinking MF had related to her mom Cassidy's statements. We only heard a few of those comments from Cassidy, and have always thought she said many more things.

I often wondered why MF kept running over to Jason at the funeral, speaking with him in a friendly way. What I mean is she was good natured, from what I read. And I also wondered when Jason arrived with family, we heard he was in the house with MF and Cassidy while his family was out dickering w/ LE to get their things.

What I've always tried to understand is why was she so friendly with him when we had been told she thought he had murdered her sister?

I also agree with you that Michelle could have kept Cassidy from the trip. She probably didn't want her with a group of adults who might be partying away while in Ca.

And I agree too that what LF knew about JY might be much of what Michelle told the therapist. I think he had threatened her life when she told him he would not have joint custody of Cassidy in the divorce, and she might have told this to her mom. Scandi