Missing Cell Phones #2

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  1. Wise Old Owl

    Wise Old Owl Retired WS Staff & Founding member of AFKBPOFPOPL

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    Ok, here's a whole clean new thread.

    Carry on.................

    Thread #1: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151083"]Missing cell phones - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
     
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  3. MamaK

    MamaK New Member

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    I wonder if JI borrowed the phone for this specific job or if he has a regular work phone from All Current Electric. I also wonder, how many people knew he was going to be gone from home that night?
     
  4. mrye4709

    mrye4709 New Member

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    Where did everybody go?

    The cell phones are certainly fishy. I'm sure LE would have checked with the cell carrier and seen that the account was active/restricted or whatever. I REALLY don't understand why they said they couldn't make or recieve calls when it would be so easy to check. They already knew about the call and discounted it as being false, since their phones were on restricted service. So, they said this AFTER LE told them about the call? What would the purpose of that be?
     
  5. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    His company van was in his driveway but I can't remember the name of the company. The work he was doing at Starbucks was not his regular job. <modsnip>
    (I did not write the last four sentences, mlc9852 did...just to be clear)
     
  6. mrye4709

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    :loveyou::pillowfight::pillowfight2::guitar::cake4u::Banane35::doughboy::sponge::popcorn::beersign:

    Not so clean anymore, I had to entertain myself. It's ok though, i'll clean it up :crazy::sweep:
     
  7. Wise Old Owl

    Wise Old Owl Retired WS Staff & Founding member of AFKBPOFPOPL

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    I kinda remember the name of the company that JI worked for was All Current Electric. I don't think that's who he was working for that night - the night job was actually a "side job". Please don't ask for links.

    The company name that he worked for might be in the timeline.
     
  8. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    I'm asking for links to JI working for his friend <modsnip>that night.

    Wise Owl, I need to respond to a post on the first thread and I don't know the best way to do that. I'm trying to just copy and paste, but I'm screwing it up...help?
     
  9. KCMommie

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    I want to repeat you to make sure I am clear with what you stated!
    Parents said phones don't work, prior to and after LE claimed the phone(s) did? (or one phone -- or whatever was implied about phone use. This information didn't come from LE but Deborah that I am aware of -- so treading carefully!)

    This is truly befuddling to me! UGH. I can only say something similar to a "child's lie" using the phones to embellish the story, and or possibly lying to cover a lose end?

    Huge open end for me.

    I have personally been frantic and reached by habit for a phone that did not work. I've discounted the JJ issue with the whole... "Why would they go after a phone that did not work".

    I have also refrained from using a work phone for personal use, and questioned my sanity at times for doing so! (but made the emerg phone call!)

    Entirely too many glaring discrepancies in their stories than to worry about that!
     
  10. MamaK

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    I don't think MSM has reported on this... yet.
     
  11. KCMommie

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    All Current Electric is correct. It is a union shop.

    The company name should be in the footage on the first day. The van parked in the driveway, along with reporters discussing JI's place of employment. I think JJ also may have said something about it. I know she visited Starbucks.
     
  12. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    How cool is this: www.allcurrentelectrickc.com

    Class company.
     
  13. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    Yeah, me either.
     
  14. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    I have two theories on the phones - ones that may have been discussed already.

    1) It was a set-up and the phone call at ~2:30 was a red herring. The phones being "stolen" was all to cast blame in that direction. However, that takes a lot of foresight and coming up with who will it be pinpointed on, how to do it, etc.

    OR

    2) The phone call at ~2:30 was someone screwing up by leaving a trail back to the family somehow. Hence, the phones had to be "stolen" in order to claim innocence.

    It seems so simple but for some reason the whole phone scenario became clear. I had been thinking there was something *on the phones* that needed to be hidden. However, I think that phone call is key to the phones being missing. And placing my bets on #2.

    All speculation and MOO.

    ETA: Wow, I see that taking a break some for a couple of days has left me in the dust here! I just went back and read about spoofing and framing and all kinds of stuff. My post seems pretty behind the times now....:eek:hoh:
     
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    Deb made the comment that LE told her about the call, but she said it couldn't be true because the both had tried to use the phones and they didn't work. Did they think LE was lying to them about the call and they really thought their phones didn't work or what?
     
  16. Dr. Know?

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    By saying the phones were restricted and were taken along with Lisa, just seems to me that they were hoping whatever is on them will never be found out. LE did find infomation via phone records I believe even without the cells, as they knew to interview MW 4x.

    Having the phones would be better...needle in a haystack.
     
  17. vlpate

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    Red emphasis mine.
     
  18. KCMommie

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    That's what I thought you were saying. I'm tired! Forgive me. I'm not so sure about the answer.

    It could be that they were playing dumb about the phones working, yet it is interesting to me that grandfather gave DB his old phone which she was programming because her phone had no speakers (where I heard that I do not know but I am sure it was media.) I found it interesting that if the phones were not turned on why re-program your phone? ;)

    So we know she had:

    1.) A phone that wasn't working (speaker broken)
    2.) A phone that was fine
    Both above phones I understood Service available but "turned off" at the time for non pay"

    3.) A phone given to DB by the grandfather which she was programming to replace her broken phone (not set up for service?)

    I did not see any fingerprinting dust on the counter in the walk through with the reporter after the SW. I found that to be odd too.

    Jeremy also had a phone 4.) that was a work phone.

    I know three services that do not automatically shut off services when you don't pay. They allow calls through, but your calls out will be redirected to their billing for a certain time-frame. I am unaware of what service they used. I don't know which provider immediately cancels service if you are just past due -- lost on this one.

    Initially, I've thought the cell story was to cover and add to the kidnapping story. Then that the phones didn't work to cover up the phone call made. I cannot see a clearer or making sense scenero better than that. Could a kidnapper take the phones? Absolutely makes sense. Could a kidnapper butt dial, possibly; however, it's a hard sell to me with everything else right now.

    So many variations out there I've really had to go directly to what came out of parents mouth on this and releases from LE on this case. What a mess.
     
  19. Leila

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    The missing cell phones is one thing that I've found puzzling, and haven't commented on until now. No kidnapper stops to steal cell phones..........what would be the point in that?

    I kept thinking that there must be something on one of those cell phones that could be traced back to the family. LE can subpoena the phone records and have a listing of each call made and received, and cross reference the phone numbers to individuals. It's pretty hard to conceal phone records, and LE found out about the 2:30am call because they did obtain the phone records.

    So your option number 2 sounds right to me. The big question is who was that call at 2:30am from?
     
  20. KCMommie

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    Impressive, but I am not surprised. I know Union Electricians stick together. The majority take the job and their responsibility seriously. HUGE difference between Union and Non in this area.

    Local chat and sources I know, I've heard quite a bit of complaining that LI was working a side job. This is against Union rules. Alot of speculation there, so I don't question further.

    It is not unusual for electrical jobs to start looking like a cake walk, but turn into a nightmare. So JI and DB claim that this job took longer and she was not concerned doesn't bother me. This could also be a good alibi? Could go either way.

    Usually an electrician issued a service vehicle will be issued a work phone with that vehicle.
     
  21. belimom

    belimom Our lives begin to end the day we become silent ab

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    So I just did some quick reading on spoofing. It seems to me that you can make someone's number show up on caller ID or on a bill in "calls received". But I haven't seen anything that actually routes the call through someone's carrier - i.e., makes the call appear as if it originated on that phone or shows up on the spoofed bill. Make sense? IOW, to the end user (receiver), it looks like it came from xyz, but it will not show up on xyz's bill.

    Am I understanding it correctly?
     
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