Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #7

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  1. MaggieSky

    MaggieSky Member

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    You know I should not have said that. I don't know that he had a motive but just a history of kidnapping and hurting women. I guess his history could imply some sort of motive that could fit this case.

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  2. Missouri Mule

    Missouri Mule Well-Known Member

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    Re: the last two paragraphs.

    I don’t want to get too far into the weeds here but it is my view that she probably had sound reason for not going beyond that point.

    I have had numerous contacts with her over the years and while we were not always on the same page, my advice would have to taken the opportunity to tell the audience exactly what she witnessed. But I wasn’t asked, prior to the airing.

    Absent that, my advice would be not to appear on the program.

    That is all I will say on this subject.
     
  3. singularity

    singularity New Member

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    Fair points. If Sherrill is the target, the window of opportunity expands and shrinks...due to the evolving plans of the girls. Let's say she calls over a guy for a hookup right after she's talked to her friend. There's several hours for something to go wrong. Is everything a-ok until minutes before/after the girls get home? If so, why did he wait? If the girls walked into a domestic dispute in progress, what triggers the escalation? The girls were likely intoxicated...does this lead to one of them mouthing off?

    The problem with that scenario is the lack of any signs of a domestic dispute...although that doesn't mean one didn't happen. As long as nobody is throwing things, hitting on doors, walls, etc. there wouldn't be many obvious signs.


    This is the main reason I believe at least one of them knew their killer(s). The plans were in a state of flux and very few people are going to know that.
     
  4. MooseMeMuch

    MooseMeMuch "It wasn't me! It was the one-armed man."

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    And didn't Garrison have a history of using the phone to harass people, to include his attorney, and get his phone privileges revoked?

    Even though I'm not sure he's smart enough to orchestrate this, he sure liked using the phone. ha:moo:
     
  5. intothenight

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    I haven't posted here in a while, came across that Crime Watch Daily segment on Monday, wasn't sure if it was going to be discussed here. It was messy, overly-dramatized and as mentioned already, the editing just made it seem like this should be an open-and-shut case, when we all know it has been anything but. The case does need a platform to stay in people's minds, but that was so poorly done. The interviewer looked like she couldn't care less, and those closing moments with Kathee were just... :thinking: There were at least a few things in there I hadn't seen before, though - although that could just be that I haven't been looking in the right places. The aerial shot of the house with the cars lined up, that's an interesting one.
     
  6. 4SAM

    4SAM Kentucky - Texas - Kansas - Missouri

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    Somewhere on one of these threads was a layout of the house. Does anyone remember if there was a basement?
     
  7. michelle1x

    michelle1x New Member

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    Can I ask a question to this thread, that is alluded to in various interviews?
    What exactly is this connection with the police that is implied, but never directly addressed??

    My thoughts on any connection between the 3MW crime and LE, is - this type of speculation seems to pop up when all other leads are exhausted.... Sort of a last resort. Same thing happened with Jodi Huisentruit case. FWIW
     
  8. michelle1x

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    Why do the porch lady and yard sale lady's accounts need to be considered as conflicting? Isn't a possible timeline where the YSL sees the van at 3am, on the way to the crime - and the porch lady at 6am with SS driving - AFTER the crime heading out of town?
    Or does the physical location of the van not work with this theory.
     
  9. MaggieSky

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    I think someone said in an interview, maybe Bart Streeter, that Suzie lived with him some then decided to move back with her mother. Maybe the school had his address on file.

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  10. MaggieSky

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    You can look at updated pictures of the house on Zillow. I don't think it had a basement. There were 2 or 3 stairs leading into the 3rd bedroom where SS slept. But I'm not sure where layout of house is on threads.

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  11. MaggieSky

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    Yes I remember the Huisentruit case. Didn't an officer from the department blame her superiors for Jodi's disappearance?

    To my knowledge the only reason LE is mentioned with 3MW is because some theories imply someone in uniform the women trusted may have been involved.

    I personally never put faith in the LE conspiracy theories in any case.

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  12. 4SAM

    4SAM Kentucky - Texas - Kansas - Missouri

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    I don't believe that their bodies are buried in the garage at the hospital, or at the parking lot of PFI (documentary on TV). I feel that they were taken out in the country since you can access small towns from Springfield pretty quickly, and shot/buried. Only way to discover them would be some hunter/farmer coming across a bone and knowing the difference between animal bone and human. MOO
     
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    Out of the county you mean... Not country, right?
     
  14. Missouri Mule

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    I don’t either except for one fact. When I had potentially relavent information it was declined and my job threatened.

    This is not hearsay. I was personally involved.
     
  15. Missouri Mule

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    If the “Porch Lady” and the “Yard Sale Lady’s” accounts are separated by nearly three hours and the distance is a mere two miles away, how can they both be valid?
     
  16. MaggieSky

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    So I'm guessing you can't share that info with us then? Or have you shared it on here?

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  17. Missouri Mule

    Missouri Mule Well-Known Member

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    No, I would be happy to share it with you.

    I'll try to be brief as much as is possible.

    From the time I saw the "48 Hours" program I was hooked. I had to know and it puzzled me how the police didn't have any leads as said by the detective. Hard to believe that in a city of a quarter million people and the news dominating everything else and an entire police force working the case it seemed hard to believe there were no leads.

    In any event, some time into the case I was visiting with a good friend, now deceased, who said that a certain person seemed to fit the profile of someone to be looked at. I had never heard of this person. But I knew his location and contacted a long time associate in another county, a lady. I asked her if she had ever heard of this person. Her response was that the mention of his name made he hair on her neck stand up. He had recently gotten into some kind of legal trouble and she asked me if I would like a copy of his mug shot. I said sure. Send it on.

    The next day, I received at my home, two copies of the mug shot. Believing this might be important, I went down to the SPD station and presented it to the police chief and the detective. They had no real comment of note but may have thanked me and then I left.

    Fast forward about two months sometime in mid October and I'm taking my wife to work as I did for about 20 years. I'm sitting at the traffic light of Jefferson Avenue and St. Louis Street and I see an identical van but blue. I asked my wife to write down the tag number as I was going to pass it along. I proceeded to drop her off at her place of employment and drove around the DT section on the way to my parking lot. A police cruiser just happened to come by and I reported my sighting. He seemed very interested and drove off to locate the van.

    I worked in the State Office building next to the old Heer's department building where at one time Sherrill Levitt worked.

    I didn't think too much more about it and went to my office and was sitting down when a very capable and trusted employee came into my office and asked me "did you see him?" I didn't know what to make of this and she explained it was the man in the mug shot. I had kept one of the copies, showed it to her and stuck it in my desk drawer.

    She said he was walking down Bonneville Avenue toward Water Street. I would hasten to point out that I did not personally see him.

    After she told me this, I called to my contact in the other county and told her of this and she asked me if I had the tag number. I gave it to her. She came back in about two minutes with the owner and address of the van.

    Now I'm thinking the officer I talked to who took my report might be interested in this information so I called the police station and asked to be "patched in" to the officer whose name I had. Instead of getting him, another officer, seen in the 48 hour program went into a closed office and climbed down my throat and said he would have me fired as I was "interfering" in the case investigation. I explained that I merely wanted to pass information along. He was totally uninterested and threatened to have my job not once but three times.

    I've never received a satisfactory answer from any other LE officer why I would have my job threatened. Because I viewed it as more than that I went to the local Missouri Highway Patrol Office on Kearney street and talked to the officer on duty. Retold my story and it puzzled him as well. He had no explanation. Wanted to know if I wanted him to contact the officer in question. I said that wasn't necessary but was merely trying to find out why no interest would be given to what I had observed that morning. On my way out I inquired if they were also working the case and the MSHP officer said that the SPD had everything under control and didn't need their help.

    This continued to trouble me. I contacted the DEA office in Memphis, Tennessee on my way back from a prior plan to go to Nashville to view some auto racing. I was going to contact Internal Affairs before leaving but they weren't in when I called and time was of the essence so we left for Nashville. But the whole episode bothered me. It still troubles me.

    I found all of this very disquieting. I do to this very day. There have been more than a few people who have suggested there was police involvement. I don't know anything first hand but why tendered information would be declined and met with threats is beyond my understanding.
     
  18. MaggieSky

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    Thanks for sharing...interesting story.

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  19. MooseMeMuch

    MooseMeMuch "It wasn't me! It was the one-armed man."

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    You are correct, they did not live in the Kickapoo district. They lived in Battlefield, MO until Sherrill divorced Susie's step-father but not sure of the time-line with that. If I remember correctly, Sherrill lived in an apartment before moving into the house just a few months before they disappeared.
     
  20. Missouri Mule

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    Let me add to my previous post.

    I saw the individual go into into his home. There was no van to be found which was the purpose of my drive 65 miles away.

    He bore a strong resemblance to also-called transient said to be in the area prior to the women going missing.

    Some time prior to the women going missing I was chatting with a former state trooper. He pointed at a business across the way. Thought it was suspicious in that it didn’t do much business.

    As to the individual seen that day, why would he be in the DT area at 7:40 AM in the area? His home was 65 miles to the southwest.

    Could have been someone else but maybe not.

    Do a Google search of Barry Seal and Mena, Arkansas who was assassinated about 31 years ago in Baton Rouge, LA. He was a drug runner/pilot for the Medillin Cartel and was former CIA.

    He made $500,000 per flight. His cover was blown which led to his death.

    If one looks at a map Mena would be an ideal location to distribute drugs to nearby cities.

    I wouldn’t rule out police involvement. Is there a connection to Seal and drug smuggling? I would rule that out either.
     
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