MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #5 - Chauvin Trial Day 2

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  1. jennieohhh

    jennieohhh Well-Known Member

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    Yes, i heard what she said. Do you think the officers were going to say hell yes please come over here as she is screaming profanities at them. She is not an expert in life saving treatments, so her testimony meant nothing to me. She had training in cpr. I think my babysitter does too.
     
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  2. In vino veritas

    In vino veritas Well-Known Member

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    We absolutely can agree on that. No question.
    On a side note related to the official autopsy, I had read a while back that the ME originally claimed there was no evidence of asphyxiation.... neck tissues/ muscles were not damaged, hyoid bone was intact, no eye hemmorages, etc..
    I read the official report again and the findings seem to support his original assertions. I imagine the defense is going to rely heavily on the official findings.

    I also believe, IMO, the report paid for by the Floyd family will be fairly easily be picked apart.
     
  3. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    The case seems open and shut until you look at the entirety. It's very complex once you look at the contributing factors. It's unimaginable that aid wasn't rendered to GF. No matter what the outcome is - nobody is going to win this one.
     
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  4. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Did you see the post I just bumped for margarita? It has the time stamp of when no pulse, and that they said they planned to load and go when ambulance got there.
     
  5. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Yes / from earlier notes (I hope I time-stamped them correctly, was multitasking, if not apologies in advance - it was also live at the time so it may be screwy

    Day 2, starts here:








    *Minor’s testimony starts at 4:51

    *GH’s testimony (firefighter/EMT) starts at 6:33ish
     
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  6. Mony Mony

    Mony Mony Well-Known Member

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    Try Law and Crime on You Tube.
     
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    Maybe they should have quit worrying about someone yelling at them and notice they were killing a man who needed help!
     
  8. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    I believe that the 4 minors were on the stand as they consisted of more than 50% of the folks standing there. To nip in the bud that it was a threatening angry mob that they feared for their safety. Police get yelled at by crowds.... it happens.
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Head to the media / trial thread here anytime to catch up on a specific days video testimonies. There is a header for which trial day it is, a list of who testified (in order) that day, and the video. Later in the evening or next am... more media articles about that day are added. HTH MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION
     
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  10. Wild Rose

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    The EMT testimony was understandable to me. She had hundreds of hrs of training to do her job, and she was a credible witness as she spoke directly to the officer, stated her position and told him directly what he was doing in rescue language. I have not had one officer question me when I rendered aid in an incident I happened upon. Ever. The opposite, they wave you in right away to help. Just imagine a 3 car wreck, multiple injuries, poles and wires down, triaging victims, traffic, bystanders, incoming important other police calls to respond to, assessing the scene and needed backup like helicopters...oh my gosh, they are alwayz happy to have your help. It must be very hard to be a young EMT, dealing with an atypical response and now in court having to testify with her certifications hanging in the balance. I can understand her demeanor, she appears dedicated to prioritizing others often above her own well being. That is the job. Also, if she appears forthright, that is also a part of the job. Assertive enough to handle the worst situations in a take charge manner because you signed up to do that. MOO.
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    She's a trained firefighter and a trained EMT. Her CPR training was when she was a young lifeguard.
     
  12. Lilibet

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    Previous history with Mr Floyd may have played a part in this group of LE’s response, but is it standard protocol for LE to assume someone is “crying wolf” if they have said “I can’t breath” during another arrest or in another position? People who are standing up can feel that they can’t breathe (get enough oxygen) for any number of reasons that should never be discounted IMO. I can’t imagine that’s the time to place the suspect face down and have the weight of three men on him. The bystanders knew what they were seeing.
    JMO
     
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  13. kaen

    kaen Trying to be a good human.

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    As a person with training, I will say this. She could have used her hands to do chest compressions to oxygenate blood and move it through his system. She didn't need anything else until more advanced help would arrive as she didn't have access to any other items.

    There was not a disgrace in these people stating what they saw. Chauvin and his team had a duty of care as Mr. Floyd was in their custody. If he was unconscious, the training I have is that the person is checked for breathing and pulse, if breathing and pulse but unconscious they are placed in the recovery position. If not breathing but pulse, you check the airway for any issues. If not breathing and no pulse, you begin compressions as the brain and other tissues with rapidly deteriorate and lessen the chance of survival.

    Mr. Floyd would be unable to get up easily if he regained consciousness as he was cuffed. The LE could have left the other two on his low body and he would not have been able to move at all.

    According to the training I have (done with Fire, Rescue, and Police), she was right to say what was needed. They gave no aid and didn't perform the assessments that they should have after he lost consciousness.
     
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    (I'm a few pages behind in the thread now, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.)

    I was concerned about that potential 'shift of blame' too, while watching that portion of testimony. HOWEVER, GF was in the custody and care of those MPD officers, and it was THEIR DUTY to render him aid immediately upon it becoming evident that he was in need of medical attention. Instead, DC continued to grind his knee into GF's neck for several minutes after he'd obviously lost consciousness, and had even been told by his fellow officers that he had passed out AND they couldn't find a pulse! His actions were absolutely inexcusable, diabolical and horrific, IMO.

    That being said, I'm far more concerned about details in the medical reports that will come into evidence. Particularly after watching Keung's bodycam footage (posted upthread), which I assume will also become an Exhibit that the Jury will have to endure. While I am unshakable in my thought that DC deserves to rot in prison because of the choices he made that day, I'm no longer as convinced as I'd previously been that Mr. Floyd wasn't already on the brink of death before DC stepped in to 'show those rookies how a real cop handles perps'. It appears as though he was truly struggling to breathe before all of that started. LOTS more information to learn in this case.
     
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    I suspect they’ll have a hard time selling that it was just a simple drug overdose that happened to happen at the exact same time someone kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. But I’m sure they’ll try. What else are they supposed to do with video of the entire incident out there for all the world to see.

    Back to my stabbing victim... if they happened to have a potentially lethal dose of drugs in their system, and it took a long time for the ambulance to arrive while they bled out, I doubt I’m off the hook for stabbing them.
     
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    Here's the good news: by the end of this trial these witnesses will be a distant memory!!! LOL- I don't agree that they are buffoons though--- but they are not the meat of the case.
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Per your request... screen shot of tox part of autopsy of George FLoyd I have in my notes. 3 types of THC you can google... depends on if it's recent or longer and has metabolized...

    Floydautopsyresults.JPG

    [​IMG]
     
  19. kaen

    kaen Trying to be a good human.

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    Like all professional rescuers, EMTs are certified in CPR during their training which would include CPR, AED, using BVMs, administering oxygen. Recertification happens on a regular basis.

    This is the UCLA course for EMT:

    Emergency Medical Technician (EMT) students complete a course that is a minimum of 170 hours in length. EMTs are educated in assessing a patient and determining if any life threatening injuries or illnesses may be present. This includes splinting injuries for a patient following a motor vehicle collision, administering life saving epinephrine for a patient suffering an allergic reaction, or even administering CPR to a patient in cardiac arrest. Other skills the EMT will learn include oxygen administration, bag valve mask ventilations, delivery of a newborn, and even administration of several medications. An EMT’s assessment skills, the ability to quickly recognize if someone is dying, is the best tool in their tool box and the primary focus of the EMT education.

    In general, to be eligible for enrollment into an EMT course you do not need to have any previous medical experience. The eligibility requirements and prerequisites for EMT and paramedic courses may vary from school to school. Be sure to check with the school’s and your state’s regulations before you enroll for a course. For example, in California you must be at least 18 years of age to be eligible to certify as an EMT. https://www.cpc.mednet.ucla.edu/node/27
     
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    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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